Hi and welcome to the working songwriter, the show where today's best songwriters come to talk shop.

I'm your host, Joe Pug.

Each episode here, we host a distinguished guest,

and we ask them to go deep on their inspiration, on their process,

on the general ups and downs of making a life in music.

So, whether you're a grizzled veteran digitizing the pages of your 1989 punk rock

zine or else a scrappy upstart, screen printing a classic entry from your Tumblr,

this is your show, because ultimately it is what every writer seeks most an ironclad excuse to put off actually writing.

Hey, everybody, it's April Fool's Day, 2022, and I thank you for joining us.

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