Welcome to the Eric Mataxis show.

I shouldn't tell you this, but Eric hired someone who sounds just like him to host today's show.

But since I'm the announcer, they told me.

So I am telling you, don't be fooled.

The real Eric's in jail.

And welcome.

Hey there, folks.

This is the Eric Pataxus show.

It's the show about everything, which means I get to interview a wide array of guests,

some of whom I actually enjoy speaking with.

Those are my favorites.

Today, we have someone named Lance Walnow. I actually know Lance

and like him. So this should be a fun conversation. Lance Wall Now, welcome to the show.

It's so good to see you later. Good to see you. It's, uh, uh, you have a new book called God's

chaos president. Yeah. I assume you're referring to Martin Van Buren. We're going to

we'll cover that in a minute. But you, Lance Wollnow, we were together recently in California, and I

realized when you get going, when you're giving a talk and you get going, you sound

more and more like Jackie Mason. Are you aware of that? It's, it's an, it's an, it's an,

I'm sorry, I didn't notice that, but I've been told that.

You start doing the, the rhythms and the schick.

Did that anyway? But listen listen I was born in long

island and and I actually I remember I was saying Lord I think as I get older I sound more like

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