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The I'm You know, I'm I'm All right, welcome everybody. We're back with our guest, Chiller Queen. She came on with me some months back. We had a great conversation at that time about some of the weird true crime murders that were unexplained and unsolved. And since that time, she took a little bit of a break,

but then she went back into it hardcore,

and she's been covering some of the deeper, darker stuff.

And she did two really deep dive,

a good podcast that I enjoyed listening to,

one on Michael Aquino.

And then her latest knowledge drop was about

this recent cult within a cult situation of the Mormons, and this is a different group.

It's not the fundamentalist Latter-day Saints, as some of you might think.

This is actually normal Mormonismism but a cult within Mormonism

the David Hamlin case which she did super deep dives on so we're gonna we're gonna get

into both of these pretty quick and pretty deep um first of all let's go ahead and I'm

gonna ask you just I want to ask a few questions about your a keynote podcast because you went pretty deep in it I covered that pretty deep a

while back in a part two lecture so what was your overall assessment of his role in

that satanic panic period and and do you think that he was actually guilty to some degree?

And we'll get into more about how the satanic panic might have been both true and exaggerated

here in a little bit.

But what's your overall, what did you come to with the Aquino information?

I think, you know, as I was like diving into Michael Aquino and, you know, I started my series on Satanism, trying to figure out like what their belief systems are.

And I, you know, came to the realization that there's many different sex within Satanism.

You know, you have your Church of Satan that doesn't actually believe in Satan,

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