Late Fascism w/ Alberto Toscano (Unlocked)

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🗓️ 23 April 2026

⏱️ 133 minutes

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This episode was originally released February 16th for Death Panel patrons and is being unlocked today for the first time. To support the show and help make episodes like this one possible, become a patron at www.patreon.com/deathpanelpod Beatrice speaks with Alberto Toscano about what characteristics second Trump term fascism shares—and doesn’t share—with prior historic formations of fascism, the driving concepts behind Make America Healthy Again that we at Death Panel have been calling “health fascism,” and Alberto’s 2023 book, Late Fascism: Race, Capitalism and the Politics of Crisis. Find Alberto's book, Late Fascism, here: https://bookshop.org/a/118130/9781839760204 MERCH STORE IS BACK! Patrons get a code for 10% off all orders. Find it at www.deathpanel.net/merch Show links: We're testing out a new Bookshop.org page (still under construction), where you can find books by past guests and book recommendations from the hosts. Find it here: https://bookshop.org/shop/deathpanel Get Health Communism here: https://bookshop.org/a/118130/9781839765179 Find Tracy's book Abolish Rent here: https://bookshop.org/a/118130/9798888902523 Find Jules' latest book, A Short History of Trans Misogyny, here: https://bookshop.org/a/118130/9781804291603 Outro by Time Wharp: https://timewharp.bandcamp.com/track/tezeta

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0:00.0	The
0:07.0	The Welcome to the Death Panel.
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1:07.7	I'm Beatrice Alder Bolton, and today I'm joined by my guest, Alberto Tuscano.
1:12.0	Alberto is the author of the books, Communism and Philosophy, Essays on Alam Badu and
1:17.0	Tony Negri from 2025, late fascism, race capitalism, and the politics of crisis from 23,
1:24.2	terms of disorder, keywords on an interregnum 2023, fanaticism on the uses of an idea
1:30.1	from 2017, and cartographies of the absolute from 2015. He's also the editor and co-editor
1:36.2	of numerous books, including Ruth Wilson Gilmore's abolition geography. And I've asked Alberto
1:41.3	to come on today to revisit his book from 2023, late fascism,
1:45.3	Race, Capitalism, and the Politics of Crisis.
1:47.7	And I'm really excited to talk to him today.
1:49.6	Alberto, welcome to the death panel.
1:51.4	Many thanks for having me, big fan of your work.
1:53.6	Likewise, thank you so much for joining me today.
1:55.9	As we all know, fascism is a word that is levied at all sorts of people, behavior, ideologies, movements
2:03.6	right now. And there's often disagreement on if something, quote, unquote, counts as fascism or not,
2:10.0	or disagreement about the various use cases where it is or isn't persuasive to deploy the term.
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