Thank you, gentlemen. The case is submitted. We'll hear arguments next and last

there against the Department of Social Services.

Hey everyone, this is Leon from Viasco and Prologg Projects. On this week's

episode of Five to Four, Peter, Riannan and Michael are joined by special guest

Jay Willis to talk about Lasseter V Department of Social Services. At issue in

this case is whether a person ought to have a lawyer appointed to defend them in

a civil proceeding. In this instance, a parental rights case. The petitioner in

Lasseter was a single mother of fighting to keep her child out of the foster care

system. Without a lawyer to plead her case, she was unsuccessful. Even though there

was a viable alternative to foster care. The grandmother in this case who appeared at

the termination of parental rights hearing stated that she was willing to take

this child and take care of the child. She is presently taking care of the

petitioner's other four children and certainly if the state had placed this child

with the grandmother, then this child's apparent child relationship could

remain in time. The Supreme Court ruled that there is no right to an attorney in a

civil case. Further, stacking the deck against people who have already been

failed by the system. This is Five to Four, a podcast about how much the Supreme

Court sucks. Welcome to Five to Four, where we dissect and analyze the Supreme

Court cases that have conducted a hostile takeover of our constitution, like

Elon Musk is doing the Twitter. I'm Peter. I wish the Constitution could give

this Supreme Court justice as a poison pill. Yeah, as you can tell I am here with

Michael, Hey everybody. And Riannan. Hello. And our friend, Jay Willis. Hey everyone.

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