When I was growing up, people would say I wasn't black enough, you know, or that I don't talk black.

And I said, well, I'm talking and I'm black, ergo.

And I'm like, maybe brothers shouldn't say ergo.

I don't know.

Hey, hey, and welcome. This is the Ben Shapiro Show Sunday special. I'm excited to welcome to the show,

Larry Wilmore, who you will remember from The Nightly Show on Comedy Central and also the Larry Wilmore podcast, Black on the air.

He's also the creator of shows including Blackish, the co-creator of Insecure on HBO.

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I got to say, I'm super excited about having you because, you know, it's rare to have somebody who, I know we don't share politics on some of these matters, and it'll be interesting to discuss that. But it's really important, I think, to have these interesting and civil conversations. And I really dig it, dude. I couldn't agree more. And thanks for agreeing to be on my podcast, too. Yeah, for sure. And I'm really looking forward to it. I think it's...

It's kind of like a prisoner exchange, you know, that type of thing. Like, we're both walking across that bridge. That's right. I mean, we'll see how this goes. We'll see. We'll see. We'll see. We'll see. We'll know. We're prisoners for a reason. A lot of people don't acknowledge that part of it.

So I want to start by asking you for folks who, well, first, I have to start with an apology. So I will say that back in 2016, I saw one of your bits on the nightly show, and it pissed me off. And I said that, and I said that... Do you remember which one? I'm trying to remember now. You probably shouldn't. Yeah, no, you can find it on YouTube, I'm sure. And I said something about you not being funny, and it's not true.

Facts don't care about my feelings, as it turns out. Wow. You know, it's nice of it. But Ben, it's okay if it didn't make you laugh, though. Is it? It absolutely. Okay, so I'm not racist if it didn't make me? Well, racist is a whole different issue.

Yes, it's racist if you don't laugh.

Okay, I just want to...

I want to make sure.

Yeah, but you're not racist if you don't laugh.

Okay, I just want to make sure. Yeah, but you're not racist if you don't think I'm funny.

Okay, well, I do think you're funny, so that's the good news stuff. So let's start with this. I mean, for folks you don't know how you got into the Hollywood business and what kind of where you come from. What's your background? Well, my background, it's funny. A lot of people ask how I got

into comedy and I say, really, I got into showbiz so I could get comedy out of me. Like,

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