Listeners, before we start, just a warning, there are a few bleaped words and

sensitive language in this conversation. So beware. But also like it's fun

bleaped words and fun, sensitive language. So it's cool.

My guest today is a man of many talents. He's a creator, a writer, an actor, and

you're a magician? Absolutely. Yes, I am. In fact, I have a deck of cards with my hand now.

I always have a deck of cards on my hand. Look, look, hear that? That's a deck of cards.

Wow. Been doing magic since I was a kid. It's been a lifelong hobby, but I'm a member of

the magic castle I performed there before. It's just one of my things that I love, but you know,

don't do for a living, but it's just a nice, it's a fun hobby. It's a great escape just from

everything else. You know, you could just go off and practice some moves or, you know, I do a

Sunday Zoom with a couple of my magic buddies where we stop. It's just fun. I love it. It is in,

I embrace this nerd lane completely. I have no reservations. You can't, you know, and can shame

or humiliate me. I'll say, okay, my watch this check and I go, oh, you're right. This is awesome.

You're listening to It's Been a Minute from NPR. I'm Sam Sanders. My guest today is

comedian Larry Wilmore, creator of the Burnham Act show co-creator of Insecure. He wrote for

shows like the office, in living color, the PJs, and the fresh Prince of Bel Air. He was also

a correspondent on the Daily Show and he had his own late night show a few years back called the

Nightly Show. Now Larry Wilmore is back in the hosting chair with something new on the NBC streaming

service peacock. It's called Wilmore. Opti. In this chat, we'll get into his career,

including that office episode he appeared in and why it probably wouldn't air today.

We'll also discuss his thoughts on the recent protests and that one joke he made to Barack Obama

in 2016 at the White House Corp. Modens Dinner. You'll hear that later on. But first, let's get back to

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