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Larry Kramer Wouldn't Be Quiet

What Next | Daily News and Analysis

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🗓️ 31 December 2020

⏱️ 23 minutes

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Summary

Larry Kramer always made sure you heard him loud and clear. He was a playwright, a novelist, but he was perhaps best known for his work as an AIDS activist. In the 1980s and 1990s, Kramer sought to wake up the world to the plague that was killing millions of people through provocative demonstrations, fiery essays, and righteous anger. A world class troublemaker, Kramer died last week leaving a body of work that could serve as a lesson for this moment in American history. Guest: Mark Harris, a journalist and writer at New York Magazine. Slate Plus members get bonus segments and ad-free podcast feeds. Sign up now. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Happy New Year, everyone. It's Mary. For the past week or so, we have been

0:04.2

rerunning episodes that really stuck with us this year. This is the last of

0:09.9

those. Tomorrow starts a new year, and Monday we'll be back with brand new

0:15.2

episodes of What Next. But we wanted to close out 2020 with a show that both

0:20.5

honors the past and reminds us that it's possible for regular people to work

0:25.5

together and save each other. It's an obituary of a sort. One of thought about a

0:32.1

lot over the past few months.

0:39.1

When I think about Larry Kramer, the AIDS activist who died last week at the age of

0:44.4

84, I can hear his voice loud, urgent, filled with this righteous anger. Play! 40

0:55.9

million infected people is a f***ing plague and nobody acts as it is. This is a

1:03.4

clip that started making the rounds last week. It was recorded 30 years ago.

1:07.4

Larry is expressing this frustration with the pace of HIV research and drug

1:12.7

development. We are in the worst shape we have ever ever ever been in. Nothing is

1:20.6

working. None of that s*** you saw on that screen is working. One of the funny

1:25.6

things about Larry Kramer though is that until he opened his mouth, he didn't

1:30.7

read as particularly angry. Visually what you can picture is a very

1:36.9

unprepossessing looking white Jewish man with a thick set of glasses and a

1:43.0

fringe of white hair. Mark Harris is a journalist and a cultural critic. I heard

1:47.8

he wore overalls a lot. He wore a lot of big turquoise jewelry. So the visual

1:56.2

does not quite match the fire brand that you might imagine. The last time

2:02.7

Mark saw Larry, it was at a benefit for the gay men's health crisis. An organization

2:07.4

Larry founded to fight AIDS. Larry was winning some kind of lifetime achievement

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