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Mormon Stories Podcast

Language Density in Joseph Smith's Reformed Egyptian - LDS Discussions Pt. 72 | Ep. 2145

Mormon Stories Podcast

Dr. John Dehlin

Religion & Spirituality

4.5 • 5.7K Ratings

šŸ—“ļø 8 May 2026

ā±ļø 138 minutes

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Summary

Welcome to Episode 72 in our LDS Discussions series! This episode is a treat because for the first time in the history of LDS Discussions, every panelist is actually IN studio!


Today we are doing a deep dive into one of the most foundational (and controversial) questions surrounding the Book of Mormon: What does the text actually claim about itself –and do those claims hold up?


We explore the Book of Mormon’s own statements about its origins, including the assertion that it was written in ā€œReformed Egyptian,ā€ the idea that Egyptian is more information-dense than Hebrew, and the claim that ā€œnone other people knoweth our language.ā€ From there, the discussion expands into linguistics, ancient writing systems, and the internal logic of the text itself.


Along the way, we examine: What Egyptian and Hebrew writing actually look like from a linguistic standpoint, the practicality of engraving dense records onto metal plates, the role of editors like Mormon and Moroni (who abridged the records) and whether their explanation makes sense, and the implications of ā€œunfallisifiableā€ claims in religious texts.


We also take a close look at historical developments like the decipherment of Egyptian (think the Rosette Stone and Champollion), Joseph Smith’s own attempts at creating or translating languages (including the Kirtland Egyptian Papers), and the broader 19th-century context that may have influenced these ideas.


By comparing the Book of Mormon’s claims to what we know about ancient languages and writing systems today, this episode raises important questions about authorship, translation, and historical plausibility.Ā 


If you enjoy thoughtful, in-depth discussions on LDS history and truth claims, don’t forget to like, subscribe, and share your thoughts in the comments below!

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0:00.0

Hello, everyone, and welcome to another edition of Mormon Stories podcast.

0:03.2

I am not your host for today, Dr. John DeLinn. Why are you laughing?

0:08.4

No, you heard for a very special treat today. What's the date? It's April 11th, April 11th,

0:14.8

2026. And we are here for another LDS discussions episode. And what's super exciting is a random combination of events made it such that probably for the only time in the history of LDS discussions, past, present, or future, will we have all members of the LDS discussions crew in studio at the same time.

0:39.6

So believe it or not, today in studio we have the rando on the internet.

0:44.7

Colby Riddish.

0:45.4

Hey, Colby.

0:46.1

Hey, good morning, John.

0:47.2

Thank you for having me.

0:48.5

Our pleasure.

0:49.6

You're joining us from Boise originally, but you're here in Salt Lake City and studio. Thanks for coming.

0:55.5

Yeah, of course. All our best to Cam. Yeah, thank you. And believe it or not, Julia drove with her

1:01.3

family all the way from Missouri to Salt Lake City to record this episode. So we have Julia

1:07.0

in studio. Hi. Thanks for coming, Julia. Yeah, of course. Last time I saw you was like

1:13.3

right before you moved to Missouri. Remember that? Yeah. Is that right? Well, I've lived in

1:18.2

Missouri, but I came up to, yeah, move back, right? Yeah, probably. Something like that.

1:24.0

Yeah. Yeah, that was a long time ago. It's good to have you. Yeah. It's good to have you in studio. And believe it or not, we're pulling a rabbit out of the hat. We have all the way from across the pond, Nemo the Mormon, here in studio, joining us on the LDS discussions team. What's up, Nemo? Not much. It's great to be here. What the heck are you doing in Utah? Having great time. Good. Yeah. Well, it's good to have you. And I'll just say it. LDS discussions has been chugging along without me. And I'm super happy that that's happening. And so I'm going to play a very minor role in today's episode. I wouldn't have even been introducing except Colby asked me to, right Colby?

2:05.6

Yeah, I may have fumbled it the first time on the first take, which is why we opened with a little bit of laughter.

2:10.6

But I do think it's funny now with Nemo here with us in studio.

2:13.6

This episode is literally an international incident.

2:16.6

Well, we have a lot of those

2:19.9

these days. And so let's do it. Let's have an international incident on Mormon stories.

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