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Landmark Jaws: Sharks and Whales

Arts & Ideas

BBC

Society & Culture

4.2599 Ratings

🗓️ 20 August 2018

⏱️ 46 minutes

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Summary

Novelist Will Self, shark expert Gareth Fraser and film expert Ian Hunter join Matthew Sweet for a discussion about sharks, whales and the impact of the book and film Jaws.

Jaws started out as a novel which reads as a sociological study of a small American coastal resort full of rather unlikeable characters. It ended up as an iconic film whose heroes engage in a fight to the death with a Great White Man-Eating Machine.

Matthew Sweet discusses how the shark came to fill the space once held by the whale, why big teeth still fill our nightmares and whether all publicity is good publicity for the denizens of the oceans with writer Will Self, whose novel 'Shark' was inspired by the film, and Gareth Fraser, who now studies the dental configurations of sharks all because he once sat in a dark cinema, as did life-long Jaws fan, the film expert Ian Hunter.

The artist Fiona Tan, whose exhibition was partly inspired by 'Jonah the Giant Whale', a preserved whale exhibited inside a lorry which toured across Europe from the 1950s to the mid-1970s will also appear out of the deep.

Presenter: Matthew Sweet

Guest: Gareth Fraser, Dept of Animal and Plant Sciences, University of Sheffield Guest: Ian Hunter, School of Media and Communication, De Montford University Guest: Will Self's latest novel is called 'Shark' Guest: Fiona Tan's exhibition at BALTIC called Depot and draws on Newcastle's history as a whaling port. It run from 10 Jul to 01 Nov 2015.

Producer: Jacqueline Smith

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0:00.0

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0:23.3

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0:28.8

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0:32.0

What would ruin a perfect beach holiday?

0:35.9

You're lying on a sunlanger, sifting sand through your fingers.

0:39.6

As you reach for your cocktail, the screaming begins.

0:43.5

Looking past the blur of running bodies, you see the ominous dorsal fin slicing through the water.

0:50.8

As BBC Radio 4's book at Bedtime offers you a chance to hear Henry Henry Goodman reading Peter Benchley's novel, Jaws,

0:57.6

we thought it was the perfect time for the Arts and Ideas podcast to revisit a discussion about the bestseller that put a generation off swimming.

1:06.8

Matthew Sweet's guests include novelist Will Self and shark expert, Gareth Fraser.

1:11.9

This is the BBC.

1:15.4

Hello, this edition of Freethinking is one of those devoted to a salient work in the culture.

1:21.1

We've done the satanic verses, we've done the singing detective,

1:24.3

we've done Aller-Rourche-de-Thompe Perdue, landmarks, we tend to call them,

1:28.7

though it won't do for this program. This one's an expedition into dangerous waters.

1:33.4

The work were hunting is a film, a film from a period in which the Hollywood studios had come

1:38.6

to believe that spectacle and disaster were their best hope for survival. And it's a book, too, the sort of book that sold so many copies

1:46.8

that it became one of those titles that was always there

1:50.0

in the charity bookshop or the jumble sale,

1:52.9

the cloister and the half of the Jimmy Carter era.

1:56.2

Brody?

1:57.8

Not that chumlet again for you.

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