Frank, Dan, before we start the show, I want to get, I just want to talk briefly about the

conference on death, grief, and belief that is coming up in July. You and I are going to be

talking. We're, we're given the keynote. My God. It's, it's July 15th through the 17th of this year.

It is in person. We will be in Portland, Oregon for this. And I just wanted to make sure that our

listeners remember about it. If they want to go and sign up and attend the whole conference,

they can get $25 off the general admission price by go by just entering the code TGIA.

So definitely do that. This is going to be a really good conference.

Seth Andrews from the thinking atheist is also going to be there. It's really a lot of talk

about death and grieving without the, a lot of the, the, the religious nonsense, which will be

a great topic. Fresh. Absolutely. What's the website, Dan? So you can go to deathgrief and belief.com

for all the info, but there's a, there's another website that I want to tell people about really

quickly. Sorry, that this is a, that this is a pre-roll thing, but it's actually important.

We're going to have a party after you and I, Frank, give our talk on that Friday.

There will be a, or is this Saturday? I don't know. One of the days.

Right. There's going to be an after party. So if you go to atheistafterparty.com,

you can sign up for that. That will be free of charge. It's a, you know, you'll pay for your own

drinks and everything, but it's free. We'll be there. Seth Andrews will be there. You get to

meet us. We can just chat. And also you can, you can also sign up, I think, just to hear us talk.

Frank on that evening. That's pretty cool. So go to the whole thing. Go to the whole thing,

but if you, if you can't do that, if you're in the Portland area or even, even if you just want

to excuse to come to the Portland area, go to atheistafterparty.com and that'll take you to a place

where you can sign up for the after party or go to deathgriefandbelief.com to find the whole

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