I never knew the story was as big as it was.

I just, I knew it was big, but I didn't know it was,

I didn't know it was that big.

If I was competing today, I could tell you who my peers would be.

My peers would be Michael Phelps, LeBron James. And so I can, I see where they are.

And so only now do I realize, okay, that's where you were.

That's Lance Armstrong, the superstar cyclist, cancer advocate, and in the eyes of many, the poster child for doping.

The new 30-4-30 film Lance traces his rise and very public fall.

Today, director Marina Zenevich joins us to talk about what it was like to interview an athlete, who many warned would try to

manipulate the process, and what she makes of Armstrong's remorse or lack thereof. I'm Mina Kimes.

It's Monday, May 25th. This is ESPN Daily, presented by Marathon.

Lance Armstrong. I knew who he was. I didn't really think anything.

That's one of the good things about documentaries when you, you know, end up making something and you kind of come to something cold and you, it's not

your world. So you're kind of like an anthropologist coming in and kind of sussing everything

out and trying to make sense of it.

Marina Zenevich is a filmmaker based in Los Angeles. She directed the two-part documentary Lance, her second film for ESPN's 30 for 30.

I knew his story.

I knew he was from Texas.

That's about it.

I went to Austin and met him and, you know, the whole film was kind of originally constructed around the trial, the U.S. Postal Service trial that was supposed to happen in February, March of 2018. We weren't going to get access to the trial, but we thought

we could film with Lance. But then they ended up settling. So you decided to interview him

during the settlement proceedings instead.

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