This episode is the final part of our two-part interview with Lila Micklewade, author of

Take Down Inside the Fight to Shut Down Pornhub for Child Abuse, Rape, and Sex Trafficking,

founder and the CEO of the Justice Defense Fund, and the founder of the Trafficking Hub movement.

If you haven't yet listened to Part 1, we encourage you to do so before jumping into this episode.

In the second part of her interview, Lila discusses the intricate details and challenges faced in the fight against

Pornhub, highlighting the critical role of credit card companies and monetizing illegal content.

Lila also shares about the powerful testimonies from victims during parliamentary hearings,

emphasizing their crucial role in driving change.

Join us to hear about the ongoing efforts to hold Pornhub accountable and the powerful ripple

effects of advocacy in this crucial battle against sexual exploitation.

We hope you enjoy this episode of Consider Before Consuming.

I do want to talk a little bit about going back to kind of the idea of if we want to create change, we have to affect their revenue.

One thing you do so well in your book, take down inside the fight to shut down porn hub for child abuse, rape, and sex trafficking, part one of this episode we've already covered.

You approached this so brilliantly and kind of working with the team of others.

Can you tell us a little bit about kind of the role that Bowie has played in all of this

and then also what your interactions with credit card companies looked like kind of at this

time and

and what the objective was, what the goals were there.

Yeah.

So thanks to many advisors and help, you know, people who were just colleagues and comrades

and people who had been in the anti-trafficking fight for a long time. You know, one of them who I especially appreciate in the book is Brad Miles,

formerly with Polaris Project, now with Panorama.

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