How do you grapple with the immigration crisis in a novel?

Laila Lollamy will join us to talk about her new book, The Other Americans.

What can you do to resist the attention economy?

Jenny O'Dell will be here to talk about her book, How to Do Nothing.

Alexander Alter will give us an update from the literary world.

Plus, our critics will talk about the latest and literary criticism.

This is the Book Review Podcast from The New York Times.

I'm Pamela Paul.

Laila Lollamy joins us now from Los Angeles.

Her new book is called The Other Americans and it's reviewed this week in the book review.

Laila, thanks for being here.

Thank you for having me.

So you've written several books and I actually want you to start with your most recent novel

and kind of how you got from that book, which is very different from your current book

to this new project.

So let's begin with the Moore's account.

What was that book about?

So the Moore's account is based on the true story of the first African explorer of America.

And I came across the story really quite by chance I was reading a book on Moore's

Spain and very casually the author who is actually a Moroccan scholar.

His name is Unwar Majid.

He mentioned a Moroccan slave who had been brought to Florida in 1528 with a Spanish

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