Labour, work and productivity
Arts & Ideas
BBC
4.2 • 598 Ratings
🗓️ 30 January 2026
⏱️ 58 minutes
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Summary
What do we mean when we talk about productivity?
Anne McElvoy and guests discuss labour in the context of both work and motherhood: what the language of childbirth tells us about how mothers and their bodies are viewed today; how the language of production and reproduction is used in the public and private contexts of the workplace, in macroeconomics, in the labour ward and at home; and the current public debates about parental and domestic labour, the maternal pay gap and the 'productivity puzzle'.
With: John Callanan, Reader in Philosophy at King's College London Beth Malory, Lecturer in English Linguistics at University College London Patrick Foulis, author and journalist Corinne Low, Associate Professor of Economics at the Wharton School and author of Femonomics Helen Charman, Fellow in English at Clare College, Cambridge and author of Mother State: A Political History of Motherhood
Producer: Eliane Glaser
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| 0:40.5 | So what did you get done this week? |
| 0:43.4 | At home or in the office, were your efficiency levels at a bustling peak? |
| 0:47.7 | Or did you get that strange feeling you were busy doing something, |
| 0:51.2 | but there was still an awful lot left to do on the to-do list. |
| 0:55.4 | I was feeling virtuously post-productive after being at the World Economic Forum at Davos the previous few days. |
| 1:02.3 | And that's a setting where the theme of making economies more able to withstand the twists and turns of head-spinning geopolitics is the stuff of daily chatter among the leaders and business titans gathered in the Swiss Alps. |
| 1:16.7 | This week I caught up on meetings of various productive value, did a bit of actual journalism and even managed the tax return in the nick of time. |
| 1:26.3 | But what does the public conversation about productivity get wrong, |
| 1:30.6 | leave out or downgrade, |
| 1:32.3 | as we worry about the national economic malaise |
| 1:34.9 | and the so-called productivity puzzle? |
| 1:38.0 | We'll be taking a very free-thinking look at that. |
| 1:41.6 | Wider than textbook economics, you'll be happy to hear to whether |
| 1:45.1 | an exploration of insect behaviour can help us get our efficiency act together and how all this |
| 1:51.5 | links up with experiences of pregnancy, a highly productive state. But to find out more, let me introduce |
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