Hello, I'm Hugo Rifkind.

And now we're going to be unpacking the politics of the day and the stuff that's even more important than politics too.

From Kirsteimer's welfare, U-turns, the importance of role models to why white men are scared of saying the wrong thing at work.

And joining me are two of my role models who never say the wrong thing at work.

And they are Carol Lewis, columnist and property editor of The Times and Sunday Times.

Hello, Carol. Good morning. Good morning. And Patrick Kidd, right for the Times. So, Patrick.

Morning. How are we both? Are we well? Yeah, happy half term.

Happy half term, indeed. Patrick, you brought your son to you?

I thought it was hiding in the back there. Yeah. There's hump is through there. Hello.

Is he a budding Times Radio guest, do you think?

I think so.

We're off to Battersea Park Zoo after this.

Wonderful.

Which is, yeah, for my London series.

So he's coming to work with me.

Yeah.

And we're going to go and look at meerkats and lemurs and things like that. I love a meerkat. I think mere cats might be my favourite animal.

Carol Lewis, favourite animal?

Oh, meerkats would be up there.

I was saying to Patrick, my daughter's now 22, but when she was younger, we used to go to

Bathsey and I'm sure you can get in a tunnel and pop up in a little bubble in amongst

the mere cats. Wow. Yeah. It was always a highlight. They're surprisingly small, but they do talk.

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