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Labour SMEAR Victim SPEAKS OUT: Paul Holden of "The Fraud"

The Owen Jones Podcast

Owen Jones

Politics, Government, News & Politics, News

4.41.4K Ratings

🗓️ 23 February 2026

⏱️ 41 minutes

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0:00.0

The Labour government is currently embroiled in a massive smear scandal, which, if those justice, would bring the whole government down.

0:07.4

Although the government has, of course, been falling apart, partly I have to say, due to the efforts of one of the, well, the central victim of the smear campaign, Paul Holden, who wrote the fraud, which examines a great detail, how Kirstarmer's entire leadership

0:22.4

was based on lies, deceit, and all sorts of outrageous behaviour.

0:28.7

We'll talk about what this mere campaign has meant and this scandal that is now embroiling the

0:33.8

government, including the Cabinet Office Minister Josh Simons.

0:37.7

This focuses on the work that Paul has done about Labour Together, which was an outfit set up

0:43.9

to crush the left within the Labour Party, to deceive them into voting for Caste armour,

0:49.2

the membership, that is, of the Labour Party.

0:53.0

And the response of scrutiny to smear Paul and other journalists as being involved in a Russian-linked conspiracy.

1:04.5

There's more to this, obviously.

1:06.2

It sounds insane and I must emphasise it is insane.

1:14.6

And it just shows that the people we are taught dealing with here are very

1:16.8

I can just say this I'm just not the most

1:18.8

journalistic kind of language but

1:20.5

they're bad people and

1:22.8

Kirstama's whole pitch

1:25.0

for a while with integrity and all the rest of it

1:26.9

this is behaviour

1:28.5

that is some of the worst possible behaviour you could possibly hear about in British politics.

1:33.9

Hey Paul, how you doing?

1:35.7

I'm good.

1:36.3

Thank you.

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