Hi, I'm Anouche, I'm Alfa, and I'm Steven.

And if we sound a little different today, it's because we're recording in the red light,

and that's not because we've been drinking in the morning, just because of the sound quality.

The red light is a pub on Whitehall for the uninitiated.

On today's New Statesman podcast, we're discussing the Labour Shadow Cabinet reshuffle, and

you ask us, why do conservative MPs still see Boris Johnson as a winner?

So Kirsten was finally managed a successful reshuffle of his front bench, and actually it

was a pretty dramatic one, I thought there was quite a few big moves.

Evet Cooper is back in the Shadow Cabinet, Shadow Home Secretary, David Lamy, Shadow Foreign

Secretary, and Wes Streeting replaces John Ashworth as Shadow Health Secretary, and another

big move is Lisa Nandie into the Shadow levelling up role to oppose Michael Gove.

What did you two make of the big moves?

So, parking one of the big moves, which we should discuss separately, I thought the thing

I found a bit surreal about this reshuffle was I thought that both the people moved out

with except for normal equilibrium, and the people moved in made sense, not necessarily

in terms of where they were actually moved in, then so broadly, who have been the sort

of most effective Shadow Ministers in terms of maximising the particular space available

to them, making the person a shadow not look as good as they otherwise would, right?

In no particular order, it's Louise Hague, Wes Streeting, John Ashworth, and then who

have been effective, media sort of performers, Bridget Phillips and Wes Streeting, Louise

Hague, John Ashworth.

And then they send Andy obviously in like the weird non-job that these Shadow Foreign

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