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Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood has set out her plans for the biggest shake-up of asylum laws in 40 years.

It divided the Labour Party, impressed some Conservatives, and even earned the HomeSec, an invite to join reform.

What will it mean in the long term for Britain

and for the families affected? I'm Olly Dougmore. This is the New Statesman podcast and I'm joined

by Anoush Shackelian and Rachel Cunliffe. Hello both. Hello. Anouche, has Labour given up

on integration? Well, I argue in my column for this week's New Statesman that it has,

mainly because of these changes that you've just been referring to in the introduction,

basically making it harder for people to settle in the UK, basically removing a guarantee

of permanent residency, as is included in these plans, makes it a lot harder for people to feel that they want to

integrate in British society. They don't have as great a stake in Britain because they think

that every two and a half years or however many, however whatever the interval is for their cases

to be reviewed, they might be being deported back to the country where they came from. And so

that takes away your stake in British life. And that's a big deal because that's what most voters say that

they want to see more of in Britain, integration. So I spoke to Luke Trill, who's the head of

More in Common, which is a public sentiment kind of agency. And they do a lot of focus grouping and

polling on all sorts of political issues. And on this, they found that integration is really important.

So 93% of people in the UK say that migrants have a duty to integrate in British society,

including to learn the English language.

Now, how much more likely are you to set yourself the task of learning English when you arrive here

if you think you're going to be gone to learning English when you arrive here if you think

you're going to be gone to and a half years later. So I think these proposals, I understand

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