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podcast from the Labour Party conference in Manchester and today we're

going to be looking at Ed Miller Band's big speech to the conference. and people on the left, who's up and who's down. And also joined by Marcus Roberts and

Matthew Elliot from left and right two of the country's leading campaigners on what

they've learned from the independence referendum in Scotland.

Well, Ed Miliband has just given his speech.

It wasn't quite the 80 minutes we dreaded but it was quite long.

It's about 75 as long as that. I'm joined here by Jenny Russell and Matthew Paris.

Jenny instant reaction.

I'm afraid I thought that it was a speech that was going to convert, they already converted,

and I don't think it had anything in it for the swing voters.

If you already think that Ed Miliband and the Labour Party have their hearts in the right place

and that they're going to deliver good things for the nation because they've got best principles

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