Hello, my name is David Brunsonman and this is Talking Politics. I'm delighted to say that we have the old team together today.

Sort of. I'm in Cambridge. Helen Thompson is in London. Chris Brooke is in Oxford. We're going to be talking about British politics beyond the crisis.

Where is Labour heading? Where is Brexit heading?

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There's a new episode out this week on Friday. On Talking Politics, we're trying to focus on the current crisis but also to take a step back.

That's what we're doing today. One way to try and think outside of the bubble of the current crisis is a counterfactual if the EE referendum had been won by remain.

Therefore, presumably David Cameron had remained as Prime Minister. He said he would only serve a second term.

So, who knows, who would have succeeded him, but the Fixed Turn Parliament Act, which wouldn't have been repealed, would have meant that the general election would have happened last Thursday.

That was five years since the 2015 general election. Presumably again, Jeremy Corbyn would have been the Labour leader. That would have been his general election.

They would have given him at least one to fight having survived the leadership challenge. So maybe it would have been George Osborne against Jeremy Corbyn.

It's a completely different universe from the one we're in now, leaving aside the pandemic, which is Boris Johnson against Kierstalmer.

Chris, do you have any feeling yet? We've got a pretty clear idea of the ways in which Kierstalmer is presentationally going to be different from Jeremy Corbyn.

Do you have a feel yet for, as not an election coming for a long time, but for the kind of Labour party that he's looking to create is there a gap now between Stalmer and Corbynism?

I think there is a gap. Stalmer made a lot of Corbyn friendly noises during the leadership campaign, and he did get a lot of people who voted for Jeremy Corbyn in 2015 and 2016 to support him in the recent leadership contest.

But he never presented himself as a thoroughgoing Corbynite. He never presented himself as close to momentum, close to the distinctive institutions of the Labour Party in the Corbyn era.

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