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🗓️ 18 October 2025
⏱️ 74 minutes
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Join Matt and Chris as they dive into the controversy-ridden world of the lab leak theory, accompanied by biochemist-turned-author Philipp Markolin. Philipp details his journey into the abyss of lab leak lore and sensationalist media, documenting how thorough research was pushed aside in favour of conspiratorial discourse. For those who dream of a world where science triumphs over sensationalism, this episode is your bittersweet symphony.
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| 0:00.0 | Hello? |
| 0:01.0 | Hello? Hello and welcome to coding the gurus. |
| 0:27.5 | The podcast where a psychologist and an anthropologist |
| 0:30.8 | listen to various online gurus and associated weirdos, |
| 0:35.8 | talk about nonsense and work out what they're trying to say. |
| 0:40.3 | In today's episode, we don't have a decoding. This is not a supplementary material. It is |
| 0:45.3 | an interview episode. We have somebody that will hopefully be more sensible than the majority |
| 0:52.3 | of the gurus that we cover. It's a little bar. |
| 0:54.6 | It's a little bar. |
| 0:55.6 | But first, hello, Matt. |
| 0:57.4 | Who is that waiting now to join us? |
| 1:00.5 | Wow. |
| 1:01.1 | So with us is Dr. Philip Markolan. |
| 1:03.5 | Philip has got a background in biochemistry. |
| 1:07.3 | He's from the fair state of, well, you live in Switzerland now, don't you? |
| 1:11.6 | But you're not originally from Switzerland. |
| 1:12.6 | It's Austrian, like Hitler. |
| 1:14.6 | Oh yeah, like Hitler. |
| 1:16.6 | Beautiful countryside though, showing about the politics. |
| 1:21.6 | But, you know, Philip has shared our interest in monitoring the discourse of the lab leak situation. |
| 1:30.5 | I know everyone else has forgotten about it now, but we cannot let these things go. |
| 1:34.3 | We're still interested in the discourse around lab leak. |
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