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Kākāpō Conservation, NYC Parrots, One Year After the Dobbs Decision. July 28, 2023, Part 1

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🗓️ 28 July 2023

⏱️ 47 minutes

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No, The Gulf Stream Is Not Collapsing

A sobering climate study came out this week in the journal Nature Communications. It suggests that a system of ocean currents—called the Atlantic meridional overturning circulation (AMOC)—could collapse sometime between 2025 and 2095, which could have dire climate consequences for the North Atlantic.

SciFri director of news and audio John Dankosky talks with Swapna Krishna, a journalist based in Philadelphia, about what this means and what could be at stake. They also chat through other big science news of the week, including the detection of water vapor around a very distant star, a new image depicting the first detection of gas giants being formed around stars, a new theory for the origin of the world’s “gravity hole,” why the fuzzy asp caterpillar packs such a scary sting, and what scientists can learn from ticklish rats.

The State Of Reproductive Health, One Year After Dobbs

In the year since the Supreme Court decided Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization, overturning the federal right to an abortion, states jumped into action.

Thirteen states banned abortion with limited exemptions, and three others have banned abortion after the first trimester. A handful of other states have extremely restrictive abortion access, or otherwise remain in legal limbo, awaiting court decisions or new laws to be signed.

Leading up to Dobbs decision, SciFri delved into the science behind reproductive health and the potential ripple effects on access to care. Now, a little over a year later, we’re following up what’s going on.

SciFri guest host and experiences manager Diana Plasker talks with Usha Ranji, associate director for Women’s Health Policy at the Kaiser Family Foundation, based in San Francisco, California, about her survey of 569 OB-GYNs across the country. They discuss the growing disparities in states between where abortion is banned and where it remains legal.

Later, John Dankosky talks with Dr. Rebecca Cohen, chief medical officer at the Comprehensive Women’s Health Center, based in Denver, Colorado, about providing abortion and pregnancy care in a state where abortion is legal, and seeing patients who are traveling from states with bans in place.

The Kākāpō Parrot Returns To New Zealand

Before humans arrived in New Zealand, parrots called kākāpō freely roamed across the islands. They are the world’s only living flightless parrots, and they’re a bit smaller than the average chicken. But the kākāpō’s population started crashing centuries ago, due to human interference and the arrival of predators like cats, rats, and stoats. At one point, the species was teetering on the brink of extinction.

For decades, scientists have been capturing and relocating kākāpō to safe islands, hoping their population would grow. It did, and the kākāpō’s recovery team just reached a huge milestone: bringing four birds back to the mainland, a place they haven’t existed since the 1980s.

Guest host and SciFri events manager Diana Plasker talks with Deidre Vercoe, operations manager for the New Zealand Department of Conservation’s kākāpō and takahē teams, about the history of kākāpō conservation, what this win means, and what’s next for these beloved birds.

Far Beyond Their Native Habitat, Parrots Rule The Roost

In many urban areas across the U.S. and abroad, feral, non-native parrots have become established. This is true in Brooklyn’s Green-Wood Cemetery, where a colony of lime green monk parakeets have inhabited a massive nest on top of the gothic entrance gate. How exactly these parrots wound up here is a bit of a mystery.

“The lore that’s passed around is that at some point a box of parrots, perhaps at the airport, got overturned,” said science writer Ryan Mandelbaum. “What’s more likely is a combination of people releasing their [pet] parrots and parrots escaping in some critical mass.”

Mandelbaum wrote the cover story for July’s issue of Scientific American all about the resilience of parrots. SciFri producer Kathleen Davis interviewed them at Green-Wood Cemetery, where they discussed why these parrots are not just surviving, but thriving.

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0:00.0

This is Science Friday. I'm John Dankoski. And I'm Diana Plasker. I'm Cypher eyes events manager and we're excited to fill in for Ira this week later in the hour looking back at a year since the Dobbs decision and getting to know some parrots.

0:15.0

But first the Supreme Court cleared the way for the 300 mile mountain valley pipeline to continue construction. This natural gas pipeline is highly contentious.

0:24.0

It is supported by the Biden administration by Congress and a key player in this story West Virginia Senator Joe Manchin.

0:31.0

But environmental groups strongly oppose the giant project and say it threatens our water our air and our climate.

0:38.0

We will keep following this story as it evolves. In other climate change news today a sobering study came out this week.

0:45.0

It's authors suggest that a system of ocean currents called the Atlantic meridienal overturning circulation could collapse sometime between 2025.

0:56.0

That's pretty soon and 2095. So what exactly does this mean and what is its stake if the system known as AMOC goes belly up here with this story and other science news of the week is Swapna Krishna freelance science writer and journalist based in Philadelphia PA Swapna welcome back to Science Friday.

1:14.0

Thank you so much. So first of all explain what exactly is AMOC and what does it do?

1:19.0

Okay, AMOC is a system of currents in the Atlantic ocean and basically warm water travels from tropical regions to the north where it chills and then it sinks because cold water is denser than warm water and then it moves back south and warms up again and rises.

1:33.0

That's the AMOC and it's important to note that we're not talking about the Gulf Stream here because a lot of people have gotten this confused.

1:39.0

The Gulf Stream is a surface level current and it'll basically exist as long as the Atlantic ocean has water and the earth rotates.

1:47.0

Okay, so that's not what's falling apart, but scientists are saying it's pretty sure that this largest than this AMOC will collapse. How sure are they?

1:55.0

So we aren't sure actually the scientists behind the paper seem pretty convinced, but the larger scientific community is asking some questions.

2:03.0

There's generally agreement that AMOC is slowing down, but we're not sure it's on the verge of collapse and especially not in two years.

2:11.0

This paper, it was in nature communications and it used sea temperatures from 1870 as a proxy for the health of the AMOC current.

2:21.0

Cruise at sea actually would bring buckets of sea water on board and stick a thermometer in it to measure ocean temps back in the 1870s and that's how we have temperatures going back that far, which I think is pretty cool.

2:31.0

But the community at large isn't convinced because they don't know if sea temperatures are a good proxy for the health of AMOC.

2:39.0

So we all agree it's slowing down, but we don't really know if it'll actually collapse this imminently.

2:46.0

I mean, I think one of the things that gets headlines though is what exactly is at stake if it does collapse. Maybe you just take us through those doomsday scenarios.

2:54.0

Yeah, it's not as doomsday as you might think. It's not great. The weather in Europe would get a lot colder and the storm intensity and patterns would change on the US's east coast.

3:05.0

And tropical regions would get even hotter, which nobody needs. And so there probably be some mass migration if this happens.

3:12.0

So not the end of the world scenario, but generally not great.

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