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Me, the podcast about cult, extreme belief and manipulation from two friends who've actually

experienced it, I am Lola Blanc, and I'm Megan Elizabeth. And today is part one of our two part

episode with Kyle and Kari, former members of the two by twos, which is the group that Megan

grew up in. Well, well, Kyle and Kari have a lot to say about recent developments in the group,

which we will get into, but in this episode we're going to focus more on the religion and general

and their personal stories of deconstructing their beliefs. We'll discuss the structure of the

group, which has no official church buildings and is primarily led by pairs of ministers called

workers, how Kyle and Kari joined and met as kids and the differences between their experiences

and megans. We'll get into what they believed and the beliefs they never discussed, how the

pandemic led them both to question their religion in different ways, and how they found their way

back to each other after a difficult period of disconnection. And the next week we'll dive

into the Facebook group that they started, which was initially just a place for former two by two

folks to get some support and the life-shattering experience of leaving the religion. But how when

people finally had a place to share their stories, it snowballed into some devastating revelations

about the group. Yes, and all that is coming next week, but Megan, I'm curious, so this is the

group that you grew up in. This is the religion that, you know, your family believed in very much,

believes in, believes in present tense. So yeah, so what are your thoughts on this right now?

I mean, just an utter chaotic mindset, really, and just this complete torn down the middle of trying

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