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🗓️ 24 October 2025
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New York Times investigative reporter Ken Vogel’s new book, Devils’ Advocates: How Washington Lobbyists Get Rich Enabling Dictators, Oligarchs, and Arms Dealers, unearths the shrouded power that lobbyists hold over the US government, from AIPAC, Soros, and Kushner to powers you’ve never even heard of.
We begin with the president’s son-in-law, who was just revealed by Vice President JD Vance to be the “investor” behind the ethnic-cleansing “reconstruction” of Gaza.
Useful Idiots: Jared Kushner doesn’t have an official role in this White House, but yet is overseeing arguably the biggest geopolitical issue in the world, and that is the crisis in Israel-Palestine. Steve Witkoff made a reference to a “master plan” for Gaza devised by Jared Kushner.
Talk to us about how Kushner has gone from serving in Trump’s first term to his time out of the White House, making a lot of lucrative deals, including in the Middle East, and now being described by J.D. Vance as the “investor” in Trump’s peace plan in Gaza.
Ken Vogel: You’ve got to go back even before he entered the first Trump administration when he was in New York real estate. And his biggest project was a massive boondoggle, giant building in Manhattan. And he got bailed out by the Qataris.
And then he comes into the Trump administration and he’s helping to navigate this blockade that the Saudis and the Emiratis had on the Qataris. They don’t shy away from it. Maybe in the first term they were a little bit more bashful, but then as soon as the first term ends, Kushner hangs out his shingle, Affinity Partners, and gets a $2 billion investment from the Saudis.
On 60 Minutes [this week], Leslie Stahl asked Kushner and Witkoff, “Isn’t this a conflict of interest? You have all this business in the region.” And Kushner said, “Well, we actually consider it a strength. We consider it experience and trusted relationships.” There’s certainly plenty of situations where there is US policy being set in a way that favors business partners of the Trump family or the Witkoffs or Massad Boulos and his family that is arguably not in the best interest of the American people and does seem to be a conflict of interest in the favor of the people who are putting money in the president’s family’s pockets.
There are laws and norms that are intended to prevent that kind of thing. And the Trump folks in the second term seem to be fairly emboldened to just test those norms and openly defy them.
Useful Idiots: Trump recently gave a speech at the Israeli Knesset where he openly flaunted the fact that he did the bidding of Miriam Adelson, who gave him more than $100 million. How does a group like AIPAC, whatever you think of them, how do they avoid registering as a foreign agent?
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to UseFlydiyat. I'm Erin Matte. Katie Halper is traveling this week. So we have a truncated episode. We do not have the four food groups for you, but we are making the Thursday throwdown, your midweek dose of media madness, free for everyone. So if you want |
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| 0:28.8 | Throwdown. And if you like what you see, consider subscribing to our show and supporting |
| 0:33.1 | independent media. For this week's interview, I'm joined by Kenneth Vogel. He is an investigative |
| 0:38.5 | reporter at the New York Times. His new book is Devil's Advocates, How Washington Lobbyists |
| 0:44.3 | get rich enabling dictators, oligarchs, and arms dealers. And Kenneth's book covers corruption |
| 0:51.2 | across the aisle, whether it's the Bidens in Ukraine or it's the Trump family |
| 0:56.4 | and their various ventures all around the world. So we get into that in this interview and a whole |
| 1:02.3 | lot more. Here's my interview with Ken Vogel. |
| 1:09.4 | Ken Vogel, thanks so much for joining us. |
| 1:11.6 | Yeah, it's a pleasure to be with you. Thanks for having me. |
| 1:13.9 | The book is called Devils Advocates, How Washington Lobbyists Get Rich Enabling Dictators, Oligarchs, and Arms Dealers. |
| 1:22.1 | I want to start with Jared Kushner. |
| 1:25.3 | He served officially in Trump's first term, doesn't have an official |
| 1:29.6 | role in this White House, but yet is overseeing arguably the biggest geopolitical issue in the |
| 1:34.9 | world, and that is the crisis in Israel, Palestine. And J.D. Vance was just visiting Israel, |
| 1:40.4 | and this is how he described Jared Kushner. Well, Jared's the investor here. I'm not going to give you a percentage, but look, what we've |
| 1:47.4 | seen in the past week gives me great optimism the ceasefire is going to hold. |
| 1:51.4 | So that's JD Vance describing Jared Kushner as the investor. He's referring to the so-called |
| 1:58.5 | ceasefire deal that Trump has negotiated in Gaza. |
| 2:01.6 | And then you had in another media appearance, Jared Kushner and Steve Wickoff, they appear together. |
| 2:08.6 | And Wickoff makes a reference to a master plan for Gaza devised by Jared Kushner. |
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