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What Next | Daily News and Analysis

Kristi Noem Understands the Assignment

What Next | Daily News and Analysis

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News, Daily News, News Commentary, Politics

4.62.3K Ratings

🗓️ 18 June 2025

⏱️ 33 minutes

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Summary

As the head of the Department of Homeland Security, Kristi Noem has made herself the official face of the Trump administration’s military crackdowns on protesters in Los Angeles, raids in majority-Democratic cities, and the deportations of student activists. How has she been able to consolidate so much power so quickly? Guest: Seth Tupper, Editor-in-Chief of the South Dakota Searchlight Ahilan Arulanantham, Co-Director of the Center for Immigration Law and Policy at the UCLA School of Law Want more What Next? Subscribe to Slate Plus to access ad-free listening to the whole What Next family and across all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe today on Apple Podcasts by clicking “Try Free” at the top of our show page. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to get access wherever you listen. Podcast production by Ethan Oberman, Elena Schwartz, Paige Osburn, Anna Phillips, Madeline Ducharme and Rob Gunther.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

In late August 1992, Randy Weaver and his family were refusing to come down from the remote Idaho mountaintop where they lived.

0:09.0

Weaver, a fugitive on a federal firearms charge, has been hold up in a cabin near Naples for more than a year.

0:15.0

The government thought Randy Weaver was a dangerous, possibly violent extremist.

0:20.0

Randy and his wife Vicky thought the government

0:23.0

was an agent of Satan on earth. When it was all over, three people were dead, and the government

0:29.2

had spent millions of dollars to catch one man. We'll find out why the siege at Ruby Ridge

0:34.7

unfolded the way it did, and think about some of the questions it raises.

0:39.4

What should we do about white supremacists? Why has the story of Ruby Ridge become an enduring

0:45.3

myth for the far right? And whose fault was it anyway?

0:51.0

Subscribe to Standoff, what happened at Ruby Ridge Ridge in Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen.

1:06.2

To be honest,

1:08.1

Seth Tupper kind of thought he was done covering Christine Ome.

1:14.3

Seth is a reporter in South Dakota, chronicled Nome's rise from Congresswoman to governor,

1:21.0

and he thought, once she landed in D.C., he'd get to pass the baton, as it were. Turns out no such luck.

1:30.8

She's kind of inescapable. She's in the news every day, and it's hard not to think about her,

1:35.3

really. I called Seth, because I wanted someone to talk me through something Nome said last

1:42.0

week that I just kept thinking about.

1:44.8

I want to specifically thank the Army. I want to thank the Marines, the National Guard,

1:49.5

our soldiers, our military men and women who've shown up here.

1:52.5

Secretary Nome was speaking in Los Angeles, talking about what exactly federal agents

1:58.0

and troops were doing on the ground there.

2:06.7

She said her agents were trying to deport immigrants, but also that the feds were investigating protesters.

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