Hello and welcome to a brand new episode of Happy Mum, Happy Baby, the podcast.

Today's guest is someone that I met years ago through a breast cancer awareness campaign.

Since then, I went on a trek with her to the Himalayas.

She is the host of the Intended Parent Podcast, which is fascinating and amazing.

You should go and listen to it. It's one and a half. It's brilliant.

And she is also the mum of four children under two, two and under.

Today's guest is Karina D'Eman. Hi! Hello!

How are you? I'm good. I mean, I cut out a whole big chunk of you there

because there's just so much to cover. Yeah, when you're just...

That's right. I started writing notes about you.

And then obviously you find things that you've blogged, you find things that you've said on the

podcast, you find things that we have spoken about before, because I can remember being on a plane

to Delhi and us having a chat standing up because we were standing up for some reason.

There were so many of us. By the toilets. By the toilets. And us talking about having a child

after breast cancer and you really wanting to talk about that experience and how there is still

that hope, you know, there are loads of different avenues that you can go down.

And at that point you had one child. Last year, triplets came into your life.

Oh my gosh, what are the chances of that happening?

I can't even put it into words. I can't articulate it because it's just so far fetched that it

would have happened. It's just bonkers. Absolutely. The fact that you're here on time as well for

this chat, I was ready for you to be like, because I've kept saying the whole way along, you know,

if anything happens, you know, don't worry, we can be scheduled, we can push it back.

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