Kouri Richins Trial Pt. 2 'If He Could Just Go Away' — The Texts That Destroyed Her

This Feels Criminal: A True Crime Podcast (Formerly Killer Queens)

This Feels Criminal | Formerly Killer Queens

Society & Culture, True Crime

4.4 • 3.1K Ratings

🗓️ 30 April 2026

⏱️ 58 minutes

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Summary

In the conclusion of our "Best of the Trial" series, Tyrella and Nikita dive into the most emotional and bizarre moments from the Kouri Richins courtroom.

We start with Robert Grossman, the "boyfriend" whose testimony began with a moment so unusual that Judge Mrazik had to halt proceedings to explain the concept of "the whole truth." We break down the devastating texts, the $25,000 life insurance payment, and the chilling question Kouri asked him just two weeks after her husband's death.

Then, we look at the strategic battle over the "Drug Chain." Even with a witness who couldn't remember his own interview, the prosecution had a secret weapon: location data.

Highlights:

The moment the courtroom went silent during the oath.
Why the defense's cross-examination of the housekeeper might have been their biggest mistake.
Tyrella's "official" review of Judge Richard Mrazik (the man with the voice of an angel).
Where sentencing stands

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0:00.0	Did you ever hear a story and think, we're not getting the full picture?
0:08.6	That's where we start.
0:10.1	On this field's criminal, we unpack crime, corruption, and conspiracy with curiosity,
0:15.4	context, and just a touch of chaos.
0:17.4	We step outside the timelines and ask better questions and explore the systems
0:21.9	behind the story, all in a voice that feels more like a friend than a reporter. Because when you
0:26.4	identify the patterns, you can't unsee how often they show up. All right, you guys, the Corey
0:34.6	Richens trial was absolutely banana bonkers.
0:39.0	And we are talking about the wildest moments from the most interesting witnesses.
0:44.8	Now, if you haven't listened to part one of this series, go back and do that.
0:48.5	And we did cover the whole case from beginning to end before the trial way back.
0:53.2	So you can find that too if you want all the details.
0:56.1	In part one, we covered Todd Gabler, the private investigator who basically handed law enforcement
1:00.3	their entire case. Chelsea Barney, the friend that Corey defrauded out of her entire life
1:05.6	savings in her home and got her whole family evicted. And this is part two. And we are starting with Robert Josh Grossman, for his boyfriend.
1:15.3	The man she was texting, if he could just go away and you could just be here, life would
1:20.0	be so perfect.
1:21.4	Just three weeks before Eric died, he took the stand.
1:25.0	And before we can even get to the testimony, I mean, the courtroom had a moment that nobody ever saw coming.
1:32.3	Welcome to this feels criminal. A lighter true crime podcast, I'm Nikita. And I'm Terrell.
1:37.9	And if you are watching us on YouTube, please make sure you subscribe. And if you are listening to us, then you can find us on any podcasting
1:45.1	platform. And if you want access to early episode drops, exclusive content, and of course,
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