Kouri Richins Trial: Medical Examiner Still Says "Undetermined" — Can the Prosecution Recover?
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Tony Brueski
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🗓️ 8 March 2026
⏱️ 45 minutes
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Summary
This is our Week in Review of the Kouri Richins murder trial—and one fact may matter more than everything else the jury has heard.
Four years after Eric Richins died with fentanyl in his system, the state's own former Chief Medical Examiner still lists his manner of death as "undetermined." Not homicide. The prosecution is asking a jury to convict Kouri Richins of murder when their own medical expert won't call it one.
The problems don't stop there. Carmen Lauber, the housekeeper who testified she bought fentanyl for Kouri four times, was using methamphetamine during the relevant period. She received immunity from three jurisdictions before taking the stand. Her supplier Robert Crozier originally told detectives he sold fentanyl—then testified under oath that he only sold oxycodone because "everybody was scared of fentanyl." When your two key witnesses can't agree on what the drugs were, the case has a credibility crisis.
Former FBI behavioral analyst Robin Dreeke assesses what's actually happening in that courtroom. After 21 years with the Bureau, including running the Counterintelligence Behavioral Analysis Program, Dreeke separates truth from performance. He reads Lauber's testimony, Crozier's contradiction, and Kouri's composure through five days of prosecution evidence.
Defense attorney Bob Motta identifies what the prosecution still hasn't proven: what drugs Carmen actually obtained, how fentanyl got into Eric, and whether Kouri administered it. He analyzes the nine-minute phone call to the medical examiner's office—consciousness of guilt or a widow seeking answers? And he flags the Seroquel in Eric's system that neither side is emphasizing.
The state has established fentanyl in Eric's system, Kouri's financial problems, and her boyfriend. But establishing motive isn't the same as proving murder.
Kouri Richins is presumed innocent until proven guilty.
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| 0:00.0 | This is the big breakdown. |
| 0:02.2 | A long look back at some of the biggest stories we're covering for you at the Hidden Killers podcast and True Crime today. |
| 0:10.7 | This is Hidden Killers Live with Tony Brewski and Robin Brie. |
| 0:16.6 | Let's move over to another case that's going on right now. |
| 0:21.3 | The pages of all right now. The- |
| 0:21.7 | pages of all my notes. |
| 0:23.4 | The Corey Richens case. |
| 0:25.6 | We are now entering week number two. |
| 0:29.6 | The jury has heard two completely different realities. |
| 0:32.2 | The prosecution says Corey systematically positioned insurance policies, sourced fentanyl through her housekeeper, |
| 0:40.9 | and poisoned her husband for money. |
| 0:43.1 | The defense says the key witness is an active drug user who changed her story after getting immunity. |
| 0:49.5 | The supplier now contradicts her, and the physical evidence simply doesn't exist. Robin Drake, uh, |
| 0:56.9 | with us as he is now every day. I have to get used to this. Like you're always there. |
| 1:00.7 | Robin Drake. I know. Yeah. Robin Drake is. He's always there. I got to tell you, he really does. |
| 1:05.7 | Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Again, kind of is, uh, overwhelming. Yeah. Team for the counterintelligence |
| 1:10.5 | behavioral analysis program, retired FBI special agent. Yeah. Chief of the Counterintelligence Behavioral Analysis Program, retired FBI Special Agent. |
| 1:13.8 | This is a fascinating case because I feel like it's there's like there's two lanes here that can simultaneously be true. |
| 1:23.1 | Corey Richens could have very likely and easily killed her husband, and a lot of the evidence, |
| 1:27.9 | I would say a mountain of it points to that, circumstantially, just through her own words. |
| 1:33.9 | But you can also have a very bad investigation at the same time that misses so many obvious things. |
| 1:39.5 | But just because they miss so many obvious things doesn't discount these pieces over here. |
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