Kouri Richins’ Suspicious Internet Searches, Conflicting Testimony on Drug Deals, and Dissecting the Defense, with Bob Motta

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🗓️ 4 March 2026

⏱️ 78 minutes

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MK True Crime hosts Ashleigh Merchant and Phil Holloway join the show to discuss week two of the Kouri Richins murder trial, the conflicting testimonies of Richins’ housekeeper Carmen Lauber and drug dealer Robert Crozier, Ashleigh details how the defense could have cross-examined Crozier more effectively, the missing context in both the defense and prosecution’s strategies so far, why it’s highly unlikely Nancy Guthrie will be found alive at this point, footage of a vehicle law enforcement are looking into now, Bob Motta, criminal defense attorney and host of the show “Defense Diaries,” joins Ashleigh and Phil to discuss Kouri Richins’ call to the chief medical examiner to discuss how the fentanyl got into her husband Eric Richins’ system, whether or not this is an unusual call to make in the first place, Richins’ memes and internet searches found on her phone that were introduced to the jury, how the defense poked holes in the digital evidence, and more. Ashleigh Merchant: https://www.criminaldefenseattorneysmarietta.com Phil Holloway: https://x.com/PhilHollowayEsq Bob Motta: https://defensediaries.com Riverbend Ranch: Visit https://riverbendranch.com/ | Use promo code MEGYN for $20 off your first order AirDoctor: Breathe cleaner air every day with AirDoctor—get up to $300 off at https://AirDoctorPro.com using promo code TRUECRIME SimpliSafe: Visit https://simplisafe.com/MEGYN to claim 50% off any new system! Follow MK True Crime on all social platforms: YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@MKTrueCrime X - https://x.com/mktruecrime Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/mktruecrime TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@mktruecrime

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0:00.0	Welcome to MK True Crime. I'm Ashley Merchant. I'm a criminal defense attorney out of Atlanta, Georgia, and here's what's on the docket today.
0:12.1	The Corey Richens murder trial enters week number two, and Richen's web searches and texts were shown to the jury.
0:17.9	We'll discuss what effect that could have on the jury. As of this taping on
0:21.9	Tuesday, March 3rd, Nancy Guthrie is still missing. It's been 30 days. What is being done to find her?
0:27.7	We'll bring you up to speed. And later, we'll be joined by criminal defense attorney and host of
0:32.5	defense diaries, Bob Mata. Bob has been covering the Richens trial extensively, and we cannot wait to get his
0:38.9	perspective. But first, I'm joined today by my co-host and good friend Phil Holloway, criminal
0:43.8	lawyer, ex-prosecutor, and former police officer. Phil, so I know you've been following this trial.
0:49.3	It's the second week of the Corey Richens trial. And just to catch everyone up, this is a murder
0:53.3	trial where Corey Richens is charged with aggravated murder out in Utah, aggravated criminal homicide, and
0:59.5	financial crimes relating to the death of her husband Eric, Eric Richens. He died from a lethal
1:04.8	dose of fentanyl back in 2022. So I know we've got a lot to go over from the last week of
1:09.6	testimony. We've got a lot of witnesses
1:11.3	that have testified. One of the star witnesses, though, was Richon's housekeeper, Carmen Lobber.
1:17.8	And she took the stand when we taped this last week. So what did you think, Phil, of her testimony?
1:22.9	Well, great to be with you, actually, as always. Look, this trial is really a fascinating trial in many ways.
1:31.0	And I've been studying it on lots of bases. One of those, though, is the styles of the various lawyers involved.
1:39.0	Because you've got multiple lawyers on the prosecution side and multiple on the defense side.
1:43.5	And it's just interesting to see
1:45.3	sort of how they handle witnesses and how they handle, quite frankly, some unexpected things
1:51.3	that have happened in this case. And you brought up the housekeeper Carmen, right? She really
1:57.0	throws her former boss, Corey Richensens just right under the bus pretty quick.
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