Welcome to the global phenomenon, Surviving the Survivor, where we bring you the best guests in all of true crime.

Here's your host, Emmy Award-winning journalist Joel Waldman.

What's up, St.S. Nation?

Welcome to another episode of Surviving the Survivor.

It is the podcast that promises to bring you the very best guests in all of true

crime. And today is a big day. The COE is kicking off a second channel, which is best talk

in true crime. I modeled it after sports talk radio. There's nothing on the air that's just talking true crime all day.

And a lot of best guests came to me and they said, hey, I have a real job unlike you,

but I do want to do something maybe one or two days a week.

And so people are going to be slowly launching shows who are best guests.

So Greg and Megan, if that's of interest, we'll talk after the show.

But that's happening today.

You know we're off to a rocky start because the COE is doing a story.

Yeah, a story on Maddie Soto, the young 13-year-old in the Orlando area,

who was sadly allegedly murdered by her mother's boyfriend.

We're kicking off with that story, but the sort of the part about it that is disturbing

is she asked me to be her guest.

So I will be her guest on the inaugural show here.

It's going to be at 2 o'clock on the other channel,

and the COE and others will put the link up.

Today we're pivoting back to Corey Richens, K-O-U-R-I-R-I-R-I-R-Ns.

She is a Utah mom accused of giving her husband, Eric Richens, five times the lethal dose of

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