Kouri Richins: After the Conviction — What a Potential Appeal Would Actually Argue
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Tony Brueski
4.2 • 612 Ratings
🗓️ 18 March 2026
⏱️ 23 minutes
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Summary
Kouri Richins has been convicted of aggravated murder. The legal fight doesn't end with a verdict. Tony Brueski, defense attorney Bob Motta, and retired FBI Behavioral Analysis Chief Robin Dreeke examine the appellate record built during this trial and what arguments have real traction.
The video of investigators directing Carmen Lauber toward conviction — admitted at trial, seen by the jury, and now potentially central to a due process argument. The hearsay ruling that blocked testimony about Eric allegedly asking someone about obtaining fentanyl — and the complication that the defense walked away from it themselves. The denied spoliation instruction over the missing pill bottle. The Lauber informant instruction language. Bob Motta breaks down which arguments a higher court would take seriously and which ones sound stronger than they are. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.
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| 0:00.0 | This is Hidden Killers Live with Tony Brewski and Robin Dree. |
| 0:07.8 | The defense spent three weeks flagging rulings, filing motions, and building a record. |
| 0:13.2 | The conviction is in. The record now matters more than ever. |
| 0:17.4 | Obviously, an appeal is going to be mounted. It happens in every case. An attempt will be made |
| 0:23.9 | here. Here to help us understand where that could possibly go, what roads and lanes they might be |
| 0:31.0 | able to explore. Bob Mata, defense attorney and a host of the podcast Defense Diaries. Obviously, this is going to be the next thing. |
| 0:39.8 | A possible appeal from Corey Richens on this conviction. Bob, obviously, there's many steps to |
| 0:47.5 | an appeal. We don't need to go through and re-educate it and how it all works. But where, |
| 0:53.2 | what lanes do they have here when you're |
| 0:55.5 | looking at this case? What do you think they're going to go with? And what sort of opportunities |
| 1:01.5 | do you think they have from a defense standpoint? Well, she's definitely going to appeal. |
| 1:07.0 | I mean, almost every defendant in the Supreme files of direct appeal. So that'll happen. |
| 1:12.3 | I want to appease people's fears. |
| 1:16.9 | It's going to all be harmless error. |
| 1:18.9 | I mean, there were certainly issues that were brought up in terms of, you know, |
| 1:23.9 | things that maybe shouldn't have come in or came in in a way that they shouldn't. |
| 1:27.9 | The one thing that I thought that might have some legs was how Bloodworth was describing what they needed to prove as to the aggravated murder. |
| 1:38.2 | That could be something that has some legs. |
| 1:41.1 | Ultimately, though, the appellate court in that case, there was just too much |
| 1:45.4 | circumstantial evidence and it was, it was overwhelming, you know, so like ultimately, |
| 1:51.1 | they're going to say, because like, if you're the defense, you're going to say, okay, |
| 1:55.6 | should the walk the dog letter have made it in, you know, they're going to, they'll make |
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