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When Diplomacy Fails Podcast

Korean War #37: Burning Chinese

When Diplomacy Fails Podcast

Zack Twamley

Phd, International Relations, Korean War, European History, 17th Century, 18th Century, Politics, 20th Century, Thirty Years' War, History, 19th Century, War, First World War

4.8773 Ratings

🗓️ 23 September 2018

⏱️ 43 minutes

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Summary

Episode 37: Burning Chinese takes our story back a bit to late September, in roughly the same timeframe we covered in the last episode, to examine how the American policy was developed as the Chinese became ever more pressed to involve themselves. The official picture in Washington and among the UN allies, and of course in General MacArthur’s mind, was that no matter what they publicly said, the Chinese would not, could not intervene, and that thus, all evidence to the contrary was bluff or the intrigue of some communist agent. America’s leaders worked hard to reinforce this message, and it certainly likely that some heartily believed that there was no sense in stopping at the 38th parallel now that the North Koreans – the aggressors – were clearly in flight. 


Yet, it is inconceivable, as we’ve learned, that the Truman administration did not plan or think to plan for what may have occurred if Mao Zedong did decide to send his forces over the Yalu River. Indeed, if you believe my research, we have seen that this intervention was what the President wanted, but that to prevent the allies from being spooked, a more conservative presentation of foreign affairs was necessary for the public consumption. Fortunately for Truman, he was helped by the British who in this episode put forward their proposal to the UN General Assembly to cross the 38th parallel and continue the advance up North. 


This wasn’t because the British wanted the conflict that Truman did; instead it was because, after several pressure campaigns, it had been made clear to Atlee’s administration that support for the American policy in Korea would be taken as a litmus test of loyalty. With such a compelling reason to support the Americans, many UN allies would be taken, often against their will, across the 38th parallel, as MacArthur enthusiastically led the charge to wipe out the last vestiges of Kim’s regime. As we’ll see in this episode, even now, as October progressed, warning signs were becoming difficult to ignore.

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0:00.0

I'm Hello and welcome history friends, patrons all, to the Korean War episode 37.

0:33.0

In the last episode, we engaged in a rather large examination of the Sino-Soviet relations, which

0:39.3

preceded the Chinese intervention into the Korean War. We ended our coverage at the 15th of

0:45.5

October in 1950, the point where Mezzadong had announced to the Soviets and to Kim Ilsung

0:50.1

his intentions to intervene, but we said we would be back in this episode to examine that

0:54.7

same period from another perspective, that of the Americans. Since the Korean War is such a

1:00.7

packed period in history, it has been necessary to constantly switch back and forth to different

1:05.6

points of view, and while this does give us a complete overall picture, I realise it can be a bit jarring at

1:11.2

time to keep the different strands together in your head. It might surprise you to know, if you

1:15.5

can remember back that far, that we covered the outbreak of the war in only episode 22,

1:20.6

and we've been hovering around that event for some time. We haven't really moved on

1:25.0

all that much in terms of the timeline, but we've certainly

1:27.9

learned a great deal. Unlike my previous studies, a chronological approach, at least a straightforward

1:33.8

month by month blow by blow account of the war that we're looking at here, isn't really

1:38.9

possible. But I have been told that you guys are enjoying this approach here, mostly because,

1:43.7

in some of your

1:44.3

own words, you feel even more deliciously nerdy for examining such minute details from so

1:49.7

many perspectives. I do understand how you feel, and with that in mind, our coverage today

1:55.0

takes us to Washington once more. From late September to the middle of October, several

1:59.4

warnings emanated out of Beijing's various representatives across the world,

2:04.1

signaling the distaste that the People's Republic held for the notion of unified Korea under UN auspices.

2:10.1

The major sticking point, the kind of crossing of the Rubicon moment, would be the act of crossing into North Korea.

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