Welcome to MediaRuth Radio.

This is Robbie Martin. And this is Abigail Martin.

I usually never say your full name. One of the things we didn't get a chance to talk about on our previous podcast, and it's something that's been in the news quite a bit lately, is what is Trump's legal strategy at this point? What is, so after he hired Rudy Giuliani to be his sort of main spokesperson lawyer,

like kind of like TV lawyer, because Rudy Giuliani's, you know, very familiar with being on TV,

and he's going on TV all the time right now, what is Rudy Giuliani's play? What is his, what is the strategy

here? Two things Rudy Giuliani said recently in the past couple of weeks is that Trump could have

shot Comey himself and he wouldn't, it's possible he could have still like gotten away with it.

Rudy Giuliani has also said that Trump can pardon himself,

which has always sort of been like debated among legal scholars.

Like could a president really pardon himself?

It's a fast...

Isn't this going along with what you were saying about how Giuliani is, like, doing a lot of damage?

It seems like he's going out there and saying a bunch of crazy stuff that's hurting Trump.

Well, that's what's so strange about it.

Abby, and that's why...

I mean, that's why we should talk about it, because let's try to imagine what purposes is serving.

So one way to look at it would be that

rudy juliani is somehow purposely sabotaging trump's legal strategy that's one one

potential way to look at it um we already know that cnn sort of reported well we'll mention

this we'll go into this deeper later, that CNN reported that Bolton apparently

intentionally tried to sabotage the North Korea summit. So I don't know if this is also happening

here if Rudy Giuliani is intentionally trying to sabotage Trump. A lot of people actually

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