Kokumi
The LRB Podcast
London Review of Books
4.4 • 581 Ratings
🗓️ 7 September 2021
⏱️ 39 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | If you enjoy listening to the LRB podcast, then you'll probably enjoy reading the LRB. |
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| 0:24.3 | Hello and welcome to the London Review of Books podcast. My name is Thomas Jones. If you're |
| 0:29.3 | expecting to hear Dominic West reading Patrick Lee Furmer's piece on the Mani Olive Harvest, |
| 0:34.5 | and don't worry that will be out next week. This time, I'm talking to my colleague |
| 0:38.3 | Daniel Saw, a senior editor at the LRB, who has a piece in the current issue of the paper on the so-called |
| 0:43.8 | sixth taste, Kokumi. And it's possible that olive oil may get a mention this week, too. So before we get |
| 0:50.2 | to the sixth taste, or in order to get to the sixth taste, I think we need to be told |
| 0:54.6 | the story of the fifth taste, umami, and how that came to be added to the four that I learned |
| 1:00.8 | about in primary school, sweet, sour, salt and bitter. So everyone, I think, will have heard of |
| 1:06.9 | umami, which started circulating as a big and exciting thing. |
| 1:11.5 | Early this century, really, around 2010, you pick up any cookbook, you'll read about |
| 1:16.5 | umami, that savoury, rich taste that makes food have body. |
| 1:21.9 | You get it from rich mushrooms, from tomatoes, from parmesan cheese, |
| 1:27.8 | which turns out to be the most umami rich food on the planet. |
| 1:31.7 | We all like it. |
| 1:33.5 | It's the taste beyond salt, sweet, bitter and sour. |
| 1:39.4 | And what we probably don't always know is what a long history it has |
| 1:43.3 | because it didn't surface until fairly recently. |
| 1:46.0 | It began in 1908 when a chemist at Tokyo University called Ikeda had the lucky opportunity to travel to Germany to study at the best biochemistry department there. |
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