Welcome to the global phenomenon, surviving the survivor, where we bring you the best guests in all of true crime.

Here's your host, Emmy Award-winning journalist Joel Waldman.

All we ask is for the right to breathe clean air to be warm in the winters and cool in the summers.

This is what one inmate said to the Idaho statesman back in 2024 about life inside the

Idaho maximum security institution, otherwise known in Idaho as IMSI.

It's a place that's now expected to become home to Brian Koberger, who of course took a plea deal and said, I killed them to all four.

You've got, of course, Kaylee Gonzalez, Maddie Mogan, Zana Kurnodal, and Ethan Chapin, who of course is a triplet who has to go on in life now with the siblings do without him.

Welcome to Surviving the Survivor, everybody.

It is the show that brings you the very best guests in all of true crime.

And without further ado, I'm going to bring them in.

First guest, Jay Christensen, he is a former deputy warden at IMSI.

He ran the place for a while and really understands what is going on behind the scenes.

Next up here, please give them a warm welcome.

Ryan Robertson, he once was serving a life sentence inside of IMSI.

He understands how that particular prison operates from the perspective of a former inmate, from the ground level on up.

And I couldn't resist bringing on crowd favorite Larry Levine, who is a prison consultant, and he is the author of thousands of books now, one of them.

Prison Politics 101.

Hold that up, Larry, Prison Politics 101.

And he made a vow to calm that he's going to limit the F-bombs today.

And for Ryan and Jay, if you don't know, my mom is a sometimes co-host of the show, 86 years old.

She's a Holocaust survivor.

She's a, as my daughter would say, a baddie.

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