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Hidden Killers With Tony Brueski | True Crime News & Commentary

Kohberger Big Breakdown – Katherine Ramsland & The Witness List

Hidden Killers With Tony Brueski | True Crime News & Commentary

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🗓️ 9 July 2025

⏱️ 80 minutes

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Kohberger Big Breakdown – Katherine Ramsland & The Witness List

Before the case ever reached a plea deal, there was one name on Bryan Kohberger’s defense witness list that raised every eyebrow in true crime: Dr. Katherine Ramsland.

Ramsland isn’t just any expert. She’s a forensic psychologist, bestselling author, and was Kohberger’s criminology professor at DeSales University. She also worked directly with the BTK killer, Dennis Rader. Her inclusion signaled that the defense was preparing to lean into Kohberger’s background in criminal psychology—maybe even to argue a behavioral or diminished-capacity angle.

But here’s the twist: Ramsland publicly distanced herself. She said she never expected to be a witness, and never saw violent tendencies in Kohberger. That raises the question—why was her name there in the first place?

In this episode, we break down what her inclusion says about the defense’s early strategy. Were they gearing up to humanize Kohberger? Paint him as a misunderstood academic? Use his background in criminal behavior as a shield instead of a sword?

We explore how the plea deal cut off any courtroom appearance by Ramsland—and why that might have been intentional. This is the psychological warfare of trial strategy: what you signal, what you threaten, and what you never have to prove. Her name may never be called, but it says a lot about the narrative they wanted in play.

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0:00.0

This is the big breakdown.

0:02.2

A long look back at some of the biggest stories we're covering for you at the Hidden

0:05.9

Killers podcast and True Crime Today.

0:10.2

Welcome back to our continuing coverage of the case against Brian Koberger.

0:16.2

We are going to be taking a look here now that the hearing has concluded, now that the plea

0:24.1

has been accepted.

0:26.7

And the plea of guilty is now what Brian Koeberger has admitted to.

0:36.1

There's a lot of questions about the future.

0:38.1

What is going to happen here?

0:39.5

And there's some interesting speculation already on the rise.

0:43.5

One of the people who has been silent on in this case,

0:50.3

but we've been very curious to get answers from.

0:53.3

Would have been Catherine Ramsland,

0:54.8

who was his professor at DeSales University. She's now speaking for the first time with News

1:00.6

Nations, Brian Enton. And we're going to take a look at that interview, kind of break it down,

1:07.7

and discuss a bit. You remember, Howard Bloom, not that long ago, had put out that

1:15.0

article where he was hypothesizing that, you know, maybe was he doing these things to impress

1:21.3

her or to be better than her because he looked at her kind, like an idol, I guess, so to speak.

1:29.8

I mean, she's one of the best at her craft.

1:32.2

So, you know, someone who's in it for the right reasons

1:35.1

would look at her and go, yeah, you are the best at this.

1:38.2

But it's, yeah, it was a spooky moment today. I want to take a moment here and we'll take a look at what it looked like in the courtroom earlier.

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