Knocked Around By Waves with Michael Ventura

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4.8 • 642 Ratings

🗓️ 17 June 2025

⏱️ 49 minutes

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Summary

About this week’s guest: Michael Ventura is an accomplished leader, practitioner, and educator. As the founder of strategy and design consultancy Sub Rosa, he advised influential organizations from the American Civil Liberties Union, Goldman Sachs, Google, Microsoft, and Nike to well-respected institutions such as The United Nations and the Obama-Biden Administration.

He is a visiting lecturer at institutions such as The University of Michigan's Ross School of Business, Princeton University, and the United States Military Academy at West Point.

He is the author of the book, Applied Empathy, and is currently working on his second book.

Show notes!
This week’s sponsor: Personal Business Podcast

Michael’s:
Newsletter: Understanding Understanding
Personal + Business websites
Linkedin

Making Empathy A Weapon via NYT

Study: Empathy with nature promotes pro-environmental attitudes in preschool children

Mandela Effect Links:
The ‘Mandela Effect’ describes the false memories many of us share. But why can’t scientists explain it? via CNN

50 Mandela Effect Examples via Parade

Mandela Effect Short Documentary via YouTube

Learn To Grow Cut Flowers

Transcript

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0:00.0	Hello, I'm Jessica Marnan,
0:15.2	Horticultural therapy practitioner and founder of Basker, where I help people use gardening
0:20.3	in nature for mental, physical,
0:23.2	emotional, social well-being. And as much as I love gardening, I also love the housewives. So each
0:29.7	week I merge those two worlds together, not just housewives, but pop culture, books, TV, internet gossip.
0:36.2	That's the inside thing. And then I talk to my guests about
0:39.8	nature. That's the outside part. And this week's guest, they're inside thing? I cannot wait for you to
0:48.6	hear. But before we get to this episode, each week I bring a reason why I love growing things. Learning to grow
0:58.6	cut flowers has completely changed my brain and I really want you to grow too, but everybody
1:05.2	has a different reason to grow. And I have about 20. So this is number two. And while these
1:10.4	reasons are not in order,
1:12.7	this might be my number one if they were in order. So the number two reason I like to grow
1:17.7	is it helps battle monotony. Maybe you love monotony, but it is my absolute hell, horror. Hate it.
1:32.1	I feel like Kate Winslet in Revolutionary Road, living this suburban nightmare where each day is the same and she never gets to go to Paris. But with my
1:40.5	garden, every single day is different. I walk out every morning to see what's changed,
1:47.0	what's bigger, what's ready to be cut, what's ready to be pulled. And I was really struggling with
1:53.7	monotony coming out of COVID, parenting, homeschooling, just not going places, and learning to grow just got me out of that
2:05.2	monotony rut. And I'm going to keep on growing to fight the monotony hell horror and not be
2:11.7	Kate Winslet from Revolutionary Road, which I know it's a very sad movie, but I think a lot of women feel that way.
2:21.7	And I cannot feel it.
2:24.9	All right.
2:25.7	Today's guest, Michael Ventura, not a monotonous career.
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