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The Conversation with Dasha Burns

Kiss your swing districts goodbye

The Conversation with Dasha Burns

POLITICO

Politics, News, Government

4.01.6K Ratings

🗓️ 19 November 2021

⏱️ 34 minutes

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Summary

Gerrymandering: Depending on where you stand, it’s either the cause of, or solution to, many of America’s political problems. Here’s what that fight looks like — from the outside looking in, and from the inside looking out. Playbook co-author Ryan Lizza dives into the subject with GOP strategist (and former gerrymanderer) Jeff Timmer, Common Cause North Carolina executive director Bob Phillips and Politico’s Ally Mutnick. Jeff Timmer  is a senior advisor for the Lincoln Project.Bob Phillips is the executive director of Common Cause North Carolina.Ally Mutnick covers House campaigns and redistricting for POLITICO.Ryan Lizza is a Playbook co-author for POLITICO.Annie Rees is a producer for POLITICO audio.Carlos Prieto is a producer for POLITICO audio.Jenny Ament is the senior producer for POLITICO audio.Irene Noguchi is the executive producer of POLITICO audio. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Picture this. It's Spring 2001 and a young state senator is walking in to a pretty

0:09.1

unremarkable government building in Springfield, Illinois. He's going in to what

0:15.0

the local Democrats call the inner sanctum. A fingerprint and code

0:20.6

protected room with a big printer and a bunch of computers with double monitors

0:26.7

and on them are detailed maps of the city of Chicago. The state senator had

0:34.6

lost a race for Congress the year before and he was about to make a political

0:39.2

decision that changed history. The voters on the south side of Chicago had

0:44.0

rejected him in that congressional race but what for his next race he could

0:50.9

choose his own voters. What if he could make his constituents wealthier, more

0:56.4

educated, more diverse by adding a different chunk of the city. That just

1:02.0

might help him become the kind of politician for whom the possibilities were

1:06.1

limitless. So with the help of some consultants and his state's redistricting

1:12.0

process he set out to do exactly that. Inside the inner sanctum, Illinois

1:18.4

Democrats are drawing the state's new districts. The young legislator sits

1:24.3

down in front of a terminal with a local Democrat named John Corrigan to draw

1:29.8

Barack Obama a new district. Corrigan who told me this story many years later in

1:37.7

2008 when I was covering the Obama campaign was in charge of drawing all of

1:42.9

Chicago's districts and he also happened to have volunteered for Obama in his

1:47.4

recent losing campaign. Obama's new gerrymandered state senate district gave

1:54.8

him access to some of the most important people in Chicago. David Axelrod became

2:01.7

one of his constituents. It gave him a new fundraising base. It helped set him on

2:06.2

the course to become a successful senate candidate and of course that set him

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