Hell no. No one is like, you know what is going to get me laid art history. You know, it's not the one.

From The Advocate magazine and in partnership with Glad, this is LGBTQ and A. I'm Jeffrey Masters,

and today I'm talking to Kimberly Drew. She's a writer and art curator and the author of the new

book called This Is What I Know

About Art.

As she writes in the book, Kimberly is not the typical art historian, and she's not the typical

activist.

All of that is a big part of why I think she has such interesting insights into what art

is, what it can be used for, its purpose, and what the future of art

and access to art might look like. We also talk about how art isn't something that needs

to be solved, it's not a puzzle, and as you'll hear, I very much fall into the category of

people who can be sometimes afraid of not understanding or, quote-unquote,

getting the meaning of something. And as Kimberly says, that's okay. Getting it is not the point.

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So thank you for that. All right. Without further ado, here's Kimberly.

You know, I've been following your career and career changes for a while.

And in the last couple of years, you've really expanded and are in so many different spaces.

And I just wonder, how do you now describe what you do?

That's a great place to start.

Right now, it's absolutely a tricky time to define it.

But I would say, in in short I'm a writer I'm a curator and yeah writer and curator feel at home right now you're often described as the

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