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I think there's no career strategy a lot in the mid-level. I think it's almost like the middle child syndrome in the workplace.

People get stuck there because they don't have a strategy to get to the next level or to whatever they feel like their next thing is.

I'm Carly Zaken and I'm Danielle Weisberg. Welcome to 9-5-ish with the skin.

We've run into so many questions over the years and had so many moments where we needed advice and we got it from women who'd been there.

And that's what we're bringing you with this show. Each week we're helping you get what you want out of your career by talking to the smartest leaders we know.

Because we know your work life is a lot more than 9-5.

Alright, let's get into it.

Our guest is Kimberly Brown. She is a career and leadership expert and the founder of Manifest Yourself.

A leadership development company that helps organizations engage, develop, and advance women and people of color.

She also released her first book last year called Next Move, Best Move, transitioning into a career you'll love.

Kimberly has also spent her career helping professionals develop in the workplace at education institutions, including Princeton University, Mercy College, and at American Express.

We'll also note the skin spoke to Kimberly this summer as she let our skin you career addition in August.

Kimberly, thanks so much for joining us. Welcome to 9-5-ish.

Thank you so much for having me. I'm very excited to be here.

So, we're excited to have you. Before we get into the conversation, we'd like to warm it up a little bit with a quick lightning round.

So, quick questions, quick answers, ready?

Got it.

Okay, Kimberly, what is a childhood nickname for you?

Kaby Toys.

That's great. I love that.

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