I'm Ben Rhodes sitting in my normal seat.

So Ben listeners might not know this, but you are a lifelong adherent of Burning Man and

it was a last ditch after a helicopter you wowed in time for the recording.

Can you talk about the rescue mission at all?

I've actually never been to Burning Man, but I've heard so much and been lobbied so

hard to attend Burning Man and it's never really jumped to the top of my list.

It's just the allure of the desert in heavy psychedelic drugs and the wilderness and elaborate

camp setups, you know, pulled a little bit, but I'm now not regretting my choice to avoid

Burning Man.

This year is not selling you on wanting to go try it out.

It's also one of those funny things, Max, you'll get this as a, you know, a media elite

track for the box, New York Times guy, like, I feel like this is getting a lot of coverage

because everybody in the circle of people that buy for these publications has either been

to Burning Man or knows people who have.

So it's what should be kind of a rather obscure niche stories now, like national news for

multi days, as if it's like, you know, the Maui wildfires or something when in fact it's

just like a bunch of people like stuck in the desert.

Yeah.

I think people would be surprised how many famous media elite figures go to Burning Man and

you do.

I would never one of them.

Yes.

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