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The Lincoln Project

Killing the Press: Russia's Early Red Flags

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The Lincoln Project

Society & Culture, News Commentary, Government, Daily News, News, Politics

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🗓️ 29 July 2025

⏱️ 31 minutes

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Summary

Russian expats, anti-authoritarian journalists, and co-authors Andrei Soldatov and Irina Borogan join Rick this week to share their heroic story of fleeing Russia in order to give the rest of the world a picture of how people within the country reacted to the war in Chechnya (and now the invasion of Ukraine), how the death of journalism paved a path for state-run misinformation channels, and what the future looks like, structurally, once Putin eventually dies in the future. The militaristic system that Putin shaped is primed for yet another dictator to step into power, and although Russians remain hopeful to one day be able to return their government back to the people, this realistically won't happen for many generations...until the country is finally repaired. Their book 'Our Dear Friends in Moscow' describes a "broken generation" in Russia, and how their friendships back home broke apart over the Putin's actions in Ukraine and the Russian state's condemnation of the West. Coming from a real life encounter with authoritarianism, Andrei and Irina warn us about how it became that way and where we are on that trajectory. • • • • • You can find Irina Borogan @irinaborogan on X, and Andrei Soldatov @AndreiSoldatov on X. Also, please check out Irina & Andrei's newest book 'Our Dear Friends in Moscow' wherever fine books are sold! Follow Rick Wilson at @TheRickWilson on X and @therickwilson.bsky.social on Bluesky, and subscribe to his Substack at therickwilson.substack.com.  Join the fight with the Lincoln Project at www.lincolnproject.us and follow LP on X at @ProjectLincoln. If you'd like to help us continue our critical work, visit https://action.lincolnproject.us/helplp to make a difference. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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that he could make country strong and great again.

0:05.0

I've heard that somewhere else.

0:07.0

Your task will not be an easy one.

0:09.0

Your enemy is well trained, well equipped in battle-hardt.

0:13.0

There is not a liberal America, any conservative America.

0:17.0

There is the United States of America.

0:23.2

Good night and good luck.

0:24.8

Hey, everybody.

0:27.3

I'm Rick Wilson, your host for the Lincoln Project podcast.

0:31.3

Thank you again for joining us for a really interesting episode this week.

0:36.4

We're joined today by the authors of a tremendous new book called Our Dear Friends in Moscow,

0:38.2

Andrew Sildotov and Aretautab and Areta Rorogan.

0:57.3

They are Russian expats who have chronicled the decline of this brief moment of hope after the fall of communism that Russia would somehow not slip back into the authoritarian mold, which unfortunately it has.

1:02.1

And the story is kind of heartbreaking and tragic.

1:08.0

And it shows the way that Vladimir Putin has corrupted even people who remained behind who thought they were going to be part of resisting that slide back into authoritarianism.

1:13.3

So guys, I want to thank you first off

1:14.7

for coming on the show today.

1:16.4

And either one of you lead out.

1:18.2

Tell me about how you got inspired

1:20.2

to write this book at this time.

1:23.4

Thank you very much for having us here.

1:26.6

Oh, that was not easy because when the war in Ukraine,

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