Before you listen to this BBC podcast, I'd like to tell you why I love podcasting.

I'm Sasha Johansson, I'm an Assistant Commissioner for the BBC and I work on making podcasts.

My real passion is discovering unbelievable unheard stories and working with the biggest

stars who can really bring those stories to life.

I love the whole process of making podcasts from the spark of an idea to hearing the final

edit.

There's nothing like it.

What makes BBC podcast special is that we're working for you.

So whatever we commission has to reflect the things that you care about and love, wherever

you are in the UK.

So if you like this BBC podcast, there's so much more to discover.

Have a listen on BBC Sounds.

BBC Sounds, Music, Radio, Podcasts.

Well, they might as well call this episode the carolenshow.

Honestly, you know how I feel about carolens.

I have many strong feelings.

You're a carolensstand.

I am a carolensstand day one or if I say so myself.

So this episode, I just relished in it.

There's so much.

It's so rich, right?

It's proper meaty, blood pumping stuff, like real Greek tragedy.

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