Maybe can you just to start out introduce yourself and sort of how you know like what's what's it say on your business card?

Yeah, who has business cards anymore?

My name is Emma Maris and I am a environmental writer and I am most

interested in when there are tensions between two people who,

two groups who think they're on the same side.

Emma Meres is one of my heroes in journalism land.

She writes things that I wish I were smart enough to write and publishes them in all the coolest magazines.

She also wrote a great book, which you should read,

Ramunctious Garden, Saving Nature in a Post Wild World.

And for the story that I wanted to talk to her about,

she went to Australia.

It's kind of the world's smallest continent

and the world's largest island, which means it sort of has the environmental problems of continents and of islands.

So the sort of classic island conservation problem is

is exotic species that show up

and rearrange everything in ways that then threaten the native species.

Australia's ground zero for insane stories of invasive species. Australia's Ground Zero for insane stories of invasive species.

You might have heard of cane toads, we've talked about them on this podcast, but there are also

non-native horses and camels and rabbits, and for this for this story were most interested in cats and foxes which were introduced to the continent by Europeans

and they just went gangbusters because sort of a really common type of animal in Australia is a small furry animal.

Like that's there's just a lot there's many many dozens of little marsupial and

rodents that are snackable for foxes and cats. There's Bilbies, which, you know,

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