Hi guys, Nancy Grace here. Welcome back to Killers Among Us, a production of I Heart Media

and Crime Online. On the elevator, on the stairs, in and out the front door of the apartment

complex, who would know there is a killer amongst us. What happened to 27-year-old Ellen

Greenberg? Her parents demanding answers. I'm Nancy Grace, this is Killers Among Us.

Thank you for being with us with me. Stephanie Farh. Investigate a reporter Philadelphia

inquirer or you can find her at Twitter at farfarfarrr away. Just got Morgan Professor

Forensics, Jacksville State University author. I'll blood beneath my feet. Star of a brand

need hit series, Entry Crime Network, Poisonous Liaisons. Tom Brennan, Private Investigator,

Working with the Greenbergs for Justice. Dr. Angela Arnold, Psychiatry is joining us

out of the Atlanta jurisdiction. You can find her at Angela Arnold M.D.com.

Veteran trial lawyer, former prosecutor, now defense attorney, Darryl Cohen. You can

find him at Cohen Cooper, Eastep and Ellen Law Firm. And special guest, Josh Greenberg,

Ellen's father, and Sandy Greenberg, her loving mother. You can also find both of them

at facebook.com slash Justice for Ellen 2019 repeat, Justice for Ellen 2019. Stephanie

Farh, I still and all the homicides I've worked and investigated. I've never seen this

many stab wounds on a person, including on the back of the neck, deemed a suicide. And

I actually tried a case where the death was first deemed a suicide, but based on blood

spatter and computer searches, that theory was disproved and there was a guilty verdict.

So I'm very curious about how the case was first ruled a suicide and procedurally what

happened after that? Yeah, so according to my conversations with police when they get

to the scene that night, they carry it as a suicide for the reasons that we mentioned

before the lack of defensive wounds, the locks, the fact that the fiance stayed at the scene.

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