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Killer Thriller with your host, Alisa Donovan.

Hey, everyone. Elisa Donovan here here and welcome to Killer Thriller.

Today we are continuing our deep dive with forensic psychologist Dr. Rachel Tolls

into American Sports Story, Aaron Hernandez, the series that explores the shocking rise and fall

of one of the NFL's most talented and most troubling figures.

One thing that also stands out to me in this series is that how many institutions

kept pushing him forward because he was so talented, whether it's the high school, college football,

the NFL, and there just are seemingly no consequences for these athletes

and the lawyers getting them out of all sorts of abominable behavior. And do you think that

these powerful systems sometimes unintentionally can enable dangerous behavior? Absolutely.

I mean, here's the thing. We reward, as a society,

we reward whatever makes money and whatever's entertaining. So that means that a person can be

out of their mind, completely out of their mind. But if they're entertaining, then just keep paying

them because people are wanting more.

No one really worries about their mental state. I mean, think about how many people have been

entertainers or, you know. So many actors. I mean, I could just. So many actors.

An actor. Rattle off a million names. Exactly. I mean, actors, they are, you know, so fascinating.

I often compare it because, you know, Jack Nicholson had a very similar upbringing to Ted Bundy,

but there were a couple of differences that then turned Jack Nicholson into who he became versus Ted Bundy, right?

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