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slash UK slash AI for people. Welcome to Scientific American Science Talk posted on April 24th,

2017. I'm Steve Merski. On this episode, look, we've got somewhere

between 60 and 100 million cats out there, outdoor cats. We're not going to get them off the

landscape immediately. And we are not proposing mass euthanasia at all. We're saying that we need to

take this seriously. That's Peter Mara. He's the director of the

Smithsonian Migratory Bird Center. And with writer Chris Santella, he's the co-author of the

2016 book Cat Wars, The Devastating Consequences of a Cudley Killer. Mara recently talked with

Renee Ebersol. She's an independent journalist covering science,

health, and the environment for such publications as outside, popular science, National Geographic,

and Audubon. What made you want to write this book? I wrote the book because, you know,

after years and years of studying a variety of the threats that biodiversity

face, I felt like it doesn't matter how much science we continue to do. The answers are never

really going to be completely satisfying to, or sufficient to a smaller majority of people that

really value cats. And it really wasn't sure it was the people that really value cats.

And it really wasn't sure it was the science that really mattered anymore.

So I wanted to bring it out in a popular way to try to explain to people what the consequences

really are of cats and how significant they are, not just from a biodiversity perspective,

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