Hello, friend. As always, it is a pleasure and an honor to have you here with me on the

Tully Show. Hard to believe it has been two years since the last time Kieran Satia was

a guest on the Tully Show fun fact. Kieran was the very last guest on the Tully Show when

it was both a podcast and a radio show on the satellite radio provider that shall not

be named. Where does the time go? If it's been two years since Kieran was on the Tully

Show, that means it's been two years of patreon.com slash Mike Tully, two years of rambling

man, two years of Tully time, two years of taking you fools to school in the shred shed. I could

go on, you get the idea. There is a lot of stuff and it just keeps piling up more every

week for your listening pleasure exclusively. At patreon.com slash Mike Tully, hope to

see you there. patreon.com slash Mike Tully. Okay, you ready to start this show?

You're hosting the evening. It's a really funny dude. I forgot his last name, but I've

seen him before. He's really funny. Get up from Mike.

Coming to you live on tape from an above ground basement, in rapidly gentrifying

Culver City, adjacent California, boasting a partially obstructed view of the world famous

Hollywood sign. This is the Tully Show. I am your host Mike Tully, joining me today, making

his Tully Show return a professor of philosophy at MIT, the host of the five questions podcast

in the author of several books, including his most recent entitled Life Is Hard, How

Philosophy can help us find our way. Hello, and welcome, Karen Setia. Hello, welcome

back. Thanks for having me. It's great to be here again.

I cannot tell you. I don't think I've ever had a more complicated yet ultimately more

joyous reaction to getting an email from someone saying, Hey, I've got this new project

I did your show before as you know, as a quote, if we talk about the next thing because

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