Hello and welcome to the game football podcast from The Times. Another defeat for Liverpool,

a sixth red card for Chelsea in nine games and chaos at Celtic as Brendan Rogers leaves with a row

and Martin O'Neill returns. This remarkable season just keeps on producing fascinating stories.

On today's show, we'll also discuss the worries at Wolves and ask whether Thomas Frank

playing down Tottenham's chances is the right thing to do. I'm Tom Clark, and joining me today,

we have the Chief Correspondent for the Times and Sunday Times, Martin Samuel,

the former Chelsea and Celtic forward Tony Cascarino and the former footballer turned journalist

Gregor Opson is here to Chaps, welcome, ready, ready and raring to go Ready. Are we started? Yeah. I'm sorry. I thought that was the rehearsal. He normally takes to... It's absolutely nailed that. It's a shame we haven't started. Go on, go on, do you gag? No, no, no, you normally take two or three takes.

You've done it in one takes, doesn't it?

You've done it in one something, so we're surprised. Absolutely outrageous. But it's nice to see you keep keeping you on your toes. Let's talk about the action from last night, as I think it's a good way of getting in some of the bigger topics. Cardiff, Fulham and Brentford all winning on Tuesday night. Grimsley's run coming to an end. Greg, I did enjoy their manager, Dave Artel, earlier in the week, talking before this game, saying in the press conference that this match would be tougher than Manchester United. His quotes, the very clever way of doing it, I was editing on the day, and he said what? And then the reporter who who was there filed them and he was like, look, look, look, look, Brentford are in great form.

That's all I mean. I'm just saying, I'm just saying, anyway, he was, he was right. He was, yeah. He was absolutely spot on. Another great win for Brentford and Keith Andrews. And then Wednesday nights wins for Arsenal, Chelsea, Man City and Newcastle,

but at Anfield, a much-changed Liverpool team beaten 3-0 by Crystal Palace.

They rested players too, but I wanted to start, Chaps. I'm going to read the intro from Paul Joyce's match report. He was at the game at Anfield.

So I think this sets us up and then Martin, Tony, I'll come to you for your thoughts on where this season is going for Liverpool.

Paul writes, whether the team sheep spoke of sacrifice or surrender can be debated,

but the bottom line is that Liverpool's campaign contains another loss

and yet another defeat by Crystal Palace.

The circumstances contrasted to those reverses

already suffered in the Community Shield

and the Premier League this season as Arnie Slot fielded a second string side,

albeit one that still contained a World Cup winner and a European Championship winner.

Yet whether it is the first team or the understudies, Liverpool have forgotten the art of winning.

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